BOO to deletion of STINK PRANK THREADS

[ghrocketman]

I know there have been several that have found humor and hilarity in my STINK PRANK threads, based on many of the comments.

Unfortunately they have been deleted somehow, even though several other non-rocketry threads remain in 'free for all'.
I am not aware of any rules these have violated as they have mostly contained little if any 'foul/supposed foul' language, nor do they contain politics.

Oh well...
I guess I won't be able to entertain any longer with "upper dekker" or "golf bag turd-drop" stories MANY found to be UBER-FUNNY.

If I have VIOLATED a RULE I'm not aware of, I apologize to Scott, but once again I'm not aware of a rule that discussion of fecal/stink humor/pranks that is being violated.

[kevinj]

Not having read the threads you talk about, I can only guess that some or all of them are covered by the general rules, particularly the ones in red.

kj


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[ghrocketman]

To the best of my knowledge, my prank threads did not violate anything in "red" or any of the rules.

[Ltvscout]

Kevin would be correct. I got sick of seeing posts like that, FreeForAll or not.

[mojo1986]

GH, don't make the mistake of assuming that the deleted threads were highly popular and entertaining simply because all of the feedback you got was positive (if, in fact, that was the case). I suspect the posts were offensive to the 'silent majority'. I have found value in many of your posts in the past, especially those in which you exported some of your considerable knowledge in paints, chemicals and adhesion. But I chose not to read your 'stinkum' posts as I considered them childish and, after a while, just plain tedious.

Joe

[SEL]

GH, don't make the mistake of assuming that the deleted threads were highly popular and entertaining simply because all of the feedback you got was positive (if, in fact, that was the case). I suspect the posts were offensive to the 'silent majority'. I have found value in many of your posts in the past, especially those in which you exported some of your considerable knowledge in paints, chemicals and adhesion. But I chose not to read your 'stinkum' posts as I considered them childish and, after a while, just plain tedious.

Joe

Somebody say 'Amen'!

S.

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

I'm amazed at how much of the noise here seems to go unchecked. The occasional OT thread is one thing, but checking in to find an almost full slate of non-rocketry related chatter is pretty irritating. I realize that there's a long-standing tradition with threads straying off topic, but I seriously think that some around here need to take a long look at what kind of stuff they're posting. If your off-topic posting is over 25% of your total post output, you're the noise. It's a rocketry forum, not your soapbox or news channel. It's truly laughable to read the criticism of TRF's games threads, then read some of the drool in the FFA section. If there's a marked difference, I don't see it.

[ghrocketman]

SOME obviously just don't get the entire FRIGGIN' CONCEPT of "Free For All" !
If ya don't like the subject line, don't FRACKIN' open it just to whine and complain.

MOVE ALONG, these are NOT the droids we are looking for.

[tmacklin]

What...what did I do?

[eljefe]

Turn that BOO into a mighty hurrah for me! Down with "stinkum" threads!

:cool:

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

SOME obviously just don't get the entire FRIGGIN' CONCEPT of "Free For All" !
If ya don't like the subject line, don't FRACKIN' open it just to whine and complain.

MOVE ALONG, these are NOT the droids we are looking for.
Do you get the concept of rocketry? Or is life just a bowl of last nights dinner?
Honestly, if the Free For All forum was an option, I'd check no. That way you guys could revel in your stink and leave the actual hobby talk for those with an interest in something other than bodily functions. By all means, GH, crack open that checkbook and start your own Poopy Forum somewhere. Let us know how that goes for you.
On second thought, don't let us know.

[Earl]

Kudos for pulling those threads. I'm all for some fun now and then like every one else, but I think most of us got beyond that level of humor around third or fourth grade.

To each his own, but it's good to 'class up' a bit, even on a rocketry forum. And yes, I agree with an earlier poster in this thread who mentioned something about a silent majority. My guess is the majority here had long grown tired of that content and just have not said anything....till now.

Earl

[ghrocketman]

Alright already.
Based on the opinions of some of the more 'prominent' members of this site, I'll leave the PRANKIN' threads alone for a long while.

[atticus]

Amen

[luke strawwalker]

SOME obviously just don't get the entire FRIGGIN' CONCEPT of "Free For All" !
If ya don't like the subject line, don't FRACKIN' open it just to whine and complain.

MOVE ALONG, these are NOT the droids we are looking for.

I agree completely...

While I think we SHOULD keep the "noise" to a minimum, for God's sake, we don't need the same sort of crybaby whiners getting threads constantly locked or deleted because they don't have the maturity to simply not click on topics they don't care to read or find personally "tedious" or "distasteful" or whatever...

All IMHO... Later! OL JR :)

[Gus]

Scott,

I'd also like to say thanks for getting rid of some recent political threads. I'm a huge fan of politics but not here.

[Chas Russell]

I do not post here often or on TRF because there are so many experts that do on both.

I have only been in the hobby since 1967 and a NAR member since 1968. Nine years on the NAR Board of Trustees, NARTS Chair, NARTREK Chair, short term of Contest Board due to Air Force reassignment, National Champion, member of Team Championships, Standards and Testing, worked for North Coast, and a couple of other things. Know Scott Dixon.

So what do I know?


YORF is great, but has deteriated with really off the wall threads. I can support culling those that really go beyond the scope of this website. "Free for all" encompasses a broad spectrum of topics. But shouldn't it be self-policing? Seriously. It is a hobby site. If you want to go off-line and discuss things or PM, good for you. Let us discuss hobby matters. There are more hobby questions, new hobbiests, and technical questions over on TRF. Where are the newbies here? Not talking about those banned at TRF. How many are not really helping here or are self serving? Just all about Jerry...

If you can not add positive comments here and help the hobby why even be here? I find questions on both sites that I can answer, but usually someone has either answered the original question or made such a snide comment that it is not worth even logging on to reply one way or another.

I now return you to the next comprehensive rant.

Chas

[5x7]

Thank you!

[bernomatic]

I'm jumping on under my husbands name, because I don't think I want to join a site where they objectify women and post semi-porn (Teri Garr, all those sci fi space babes, etc.) I strongly think that any thread even hinting at any beauty contest or rating of a female is childish, has nothing to do with model rocketry (except to feed the perverse imaginations of those immature modelers on this site who think that the only real woman is a sex object.

Maybe this site would attract more female hobbyists if you men kept your libidos in check. Then you could interact with a real woman at a launch instead of just wishing.

I believe Scott should take steps to immediately continue to clean up this site and make sure only content relating to the hobby of model rocketry be posted.

Thank you for your consideration and I now return the keyboard to my husband.

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

I'm jumping on under my husbands name, because I don't think I want to join a site where they objectify women and post semi-porn (Teri Garr, all those sci fi space babes, etc.) I strongly think that any thread even hinting at any beauty contest or rating of a female is childish, has nothing to do with model rocketry (except to feed the perverse imaginations of those immature modelers on this site who think that the only real woman is a sex object.

Maybe this site would attract more female hobbyists if you men kept your libidos in check. Then you could interact with a real woman at a launch instead of just wishing.

I believe Scott should take steps to immediately continue to clean up this site and make sure only content relating to the hobby of model rocketry be posted.

Thank you for your consideration and I now return the keyboard to my husband.
Pretty sure my wife would like the hobby less if I was interacting with real females at launches.

[tbzep]

This forum was created because the Yahoo Old Rockets group kept going off topic. The invitation said something to the effect that things like tractors, orange paint, and Teri Garr could be talked about on the new forum, allowing the Old Rockets group to remain strictly on topic. However, using the forum to nearly exclusively post about politics or other sorted annoying topics isn't something Scott envisioned. It's Scott's forum and I support his decisions regarding it.

I don't see an issue with posting about the general stuff we associate with our "old rockets" hobby, other related hobbies, or the era associated with "old rockets" as long as it doesn't lead to modern politics. Sci-fi, old tv shows or movies and actors of our rocketry era youth, science, technology, etc. all seem to be a natural fit.

[mojo1986]

I agree completely...

While I think we SHOULD keep the "noise" to a minimum, for God's sake, we don't need the same sort of crybaby whiners getting threads constantly locked or deleted because they don't have the maturity to simply not click on topics they don't care to read or find personally "tedious" or "distasteful" or whatever...

All IMHO... Later! OL JR :)

I have to say that your post mystifies me. And pehaps this post is displaying my ignorance. But was there any significant 'crybaby whining' over the stinkum posts?

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

"tedious" or "distasteful"
:rolleyes: Funny, I felt the same way about the boo-hooing thread about TRF. What it boils down to is that a lot of people come here to read about rockets being built/flown/treed/CATOd, whatever. **** right the idea of bowel movement humor is both tedious and distasteful. Like I said, step up and put your money where your ass is and start a poopy joke forum. Be sure to let us know what kind of high end posters you attract.

[ghrocketman]

My understanding was that the "Free For All" forum was for ANYTHING short of Politics or Profanity/Explicit sexuality. Direct Negativity toward sponsors I implicitly understand to be off limits as well.

Did I MISS something here ?
Unless one is the forum OWNER, I cannot and will not understand why the concept of "If you don't like the program, why are you tuning in ?" (In other words why are you reading the thread?) cannot be grasped.

If this was DIRECTLY Scott's doing, I apologize to him and am grateful he hosts this forum.

If this was the result of SOME WHINEBOX complaining to Scott instead, THAT is TOTALLY different.

[jeffyjeep]

I'm jumping on under my husbands name, because I don't think I want to join a site where they objectify women and post semi-porn (Teri Garr, all those sci fi space babes, etc.) I strongly think that any thread even hinting at any beauty contest or rating of a female is childish, has nothing to do with model rocketry (except to feed the perverse imaginations of those immature modelers on this site who think that the only real woman is a sex object.

Maybe this site would attract more female hobbyists if you men kept your libidos in check. Then you could interact with a real woman at a launch instead of just wishing.

I believe Scott should take steps to immediately continue to clean up this site and make sure only content relating to the hobby of model rocketry be posted.

Thank you for your consideration and I now return the keyboard to my husband.
Personally, I think Scott is doing a fine job governing this forum. If I believed otherwise, I'd tell him in a private message.

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

My understanding was that the "Free For All" forum was for ANYTHING short of Politics or Profanity/Explicit sexuality. Direct Negativity toward sponsors I implicitly understand to be off limits as well.

Did I MISS something here ?
Unless one is the forum OWNER, I cannot and will not understand why the concept of "If you don't like the program, why are you tuning in ?" (In other words why are you reading the thread?) cannot be grasped.

If this was DIRECTLY Scott's doing, I apologize to him and am grateful he hosts this forum.

If this was the result of SOME WHINEBOX complaining to Scott instead, THAT is TOTALLY different.
And the horse you rode in on, GH.
I guess I was the whinebox. At least I hope it was me. I didn't have to read the threads. I've long since opening anything from you in Free For All. I've seen your act before. I pointed the fact out to Scott that five of the twelve new threads since my last visit were your poopy threads and he apparently agreed that enough was enough. Did you launch your poopy in a rocket? Do you dry the poopy and fireproof it for use as recovery wadding? No and no. Is everyone else on here as FASCINATED by your third grade level prank ideas as you are? Based on your lack of support, I'm going to say no. Mildly amusing - ONCE! After that one has to wonder exactly what it is you do with your spare time. At one time it appears to have been rocketry. As I said, if this is such a hot button topic, where are your defenders? Call up the poop army and see if they can launch an offensive. (Wait, I said launch! That would be somewhat on topic.) Seriously, man. Get some new material.
Some suggestions? Maybe apolgize at TRF and ask them if you can mod the poopy section of their forum so you can tell everyone how anti-poopy YORF is. Take a straw poll here and find out how many people have you killfiled. Heaven FORBID, don't do a build thread or post some launch pics.
In short, if my complaint results in this kind of crap disappearing from the forum, it's a badge I'll wear with pride. That's it. You're free to go back to the playground.

[ghrocketman]

I suspected YOU were the whinebox.
Do you complain to the FCC when a station airs content you object to as well ?
I shall suggest YOU are the one that needs to grow up if you can't handle it.
HEAVEN forbid you just ignore the content you choose not to participate in.
While some or many may not find my brand of humor to their liking, someone on this forum found it funny enough to actually BUILD a PVC based rocket nicknamed the GH-turdlofter and it actually flew.
If your particular brand of humor consisted of say smashing used hot water heaters, mailbox baseball, or even re-branding used cow hides ad nauseum, I would never feel a need to whine or be a rat about it; I would just choose to ignore it. In other words, if I did not like it and it was not specifically against any rules, I would MIND MY OWN FRACKIN' BIZZNUSS and BUTT THE HELL OUT, but then again I'm not some sort of busy-body that needs to create controversy where NONE is needed.
Anyhoo, I'm done with this anyway...not going to argue with someone over a position they cannot defend with anything but "I don't like it, boo hoo"
If I posted such in a section labeled "Kit collecting" or "Projects" or "Launch pics" the griping would positively be warranted. In "Free For All" it is not.
Personally I find WHINERS/COMPLAINERS about ANYTHING about as useful as a Pogo-Stik in a Bathtub or a Bowling Ball in a Clothes Dryer.
Move along, these are NOT the droids we are looking for !

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

I suspected YOU were the whinebox.
Do you complain to the FCC when a station airs content you object to as well ?
I shall suggest YOU are the one that needs to grow up if you can't handle it.
HEAVEN forbid you just ignore the content you choose not to participate in.
While some or many may not find my brand of humor to their liking, someone on this forum found it funny enough to actually BUILD a PVC based rocket nicknamed the GH-turdlofter and it actually flew.
If your particular brand of humor consisted of say smashing used hot water heaters, mailbox baseball, or even re-branding used cow hides ad nauseum, I would never feel a need to whine or be a rat about it; I would just choose to ignore it. In other words, if I did not like it and it was not specifically against any rules, I would MIND MY OWN FRACKIN' BIZZNUSS and BUTT THE HELL OUT, but then again I'm not some sort of busy-body that needs to create controversy where NONE is needed.
Anyhoo, I'm done with this anyway...not going to argue with someone over a position they cannot defend with anything but "I don't like it, boo hoo"
If I posted such in a section labeled "Kit collecting" or "Projects" or "Launch pics" the griping would positively be warranted. In "Free For All" it is not.
Personally I find WHINERS/COMPLAINERS about ANYTHING about as useful as a Pogo-Stik in a Bathtub or a Bowling Ball in a Clothes Dryer.
Move along, these are NOT the droids we are looking for !
Yawn. I agree. You should move along. Free poopy speech for all.

[ghrocketman]

I'll refrain from humor threads in the future....
Oh well....some got a few laffs.

[mojo1986]

Well OK, guys, I think those last few posts clearly establish the fact that you both agree to disagree, and I hope we can all move on now and get back to some productive rocketry posts.

Whew!!

[tmacklin]

Shall I run another Ebay auction?

[tbzep]

This thread stinks. It should be flushed. ;)

[ghrocketman]

Bbbbbut it's a GOOD REEK !

[bernomatic]

Good lord, it is no wonder our society is going down the drain. With the over abundance of whiners and do gooders (and of course the whining do gooder) it is a wonder that anyone has been able to show any maturity and ability to make a decision for themselves. It is not bad enough that as a whole society is narcissistic, but that that they feel they have the RIGHT to determine what others should or shouldn't read, view or listen to is the ultimate level of a nanny state. Taking away the privilege to decide for myself what I should or shouldn't read is a power I wouldn't grant to anybody. Claiming this is Scott's site and he has the right to do it is a cope out of a great magnitude.

If an individual poster or visitor to this site complains enough to get a specific thread pulled, where does it end. My previous post seemingly from my wife is a warning. If one person thinks something is wrong, how much pressure can they bring to bear before the owner caves? Would my wife have to alert NOW of the sexism involved? I would assume under the pressure of that group the threads would be eliminated.

Personally I have my issues with some of GH's stuff, but I don't click on most of it. I am a mature adult human being who can and DOES make decisions for myself. If I see a thread labeled "stink pranks" by GH I have enough wisdom, intelligence and self respect not to click on it unless I have smacked myself in the head a couple of times to lower my intelligence.

If this site is as most of the above posters claim about model rocketry alone, then Scott needs to get rid of the whole Free for All section and closely watch the rest of the areas for ANY straying from topic PERIOD! PERIOD! PERIOD! No if's, and's , or but jokes.

In short grow up and show that you are a THINKING human being able to show a little self restraint and wisdom and have a pair that are capable of taking responsibility for your own actions while not being so self important that you think you should not be offended by anything in this world. That you are a man smart enough to know that a thread by GH with the word stink or prank in the title is something you're not probably going to be thrilled by it and strong enough to not succumb to your infantilism by clicking on the link.

[jeffyjeep]

Perfect!

[ghrocketman]

Needless to say, I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with Bernard's last posting.
If I see a thread that probably does not interest me, I just DON'T OPEN IT; I don't complain to someone else that "I know what is best for ALL; let nobody see this" no matter how RUDE, OFFENSIVE, AGITATING, or INFLAMMATORY said thread may be.
I'm not the SUBJECT POLICE nor should anyone but the OWNER have ANY purview as what is/is not said.
I personally find threads about Corned Beef, Sauerkraut, and Country/Western music DISGUSTING, but I never complain to an administrator that they should be deleted so OTHERS cannot choose to READ/IGNORE/DECIDE for THEMSELVES.

Quite frankly I'm against censorship of any legal material in any form to anyone for any reason.
I go so far to believe that the 1st Amendment should be 100% absolute in this country in all private/public forums and even private businesses with total protection against ANY repercussions/recourse. I kmow that sounds extreme to some, but when exceptions dilute rights, it is often a slippery slope.

[tmacklin]

The primary focus of the First amendment is to prevent congress from making laws that would prevent the People from expressing their POLITICAL views and thereby petitioning the government for redress of grievances. It is not a license to say anything you want anywhere you want to anyone you want with impunity. If you are invited into someone's home and then proceed to annoy the host and/or his guests, you may get the boot. Sometimes it is frustrating to be told to STFU, but that's just the way it is.

I think I'll STFU for awhile before the host reminds me once again whose home this is. ;)

[Gus]

This isn't an issue of the general state of America or first amendment rights or anything like it. This is Ye Olde Rocket Forum, a place where people are hopefully attracted to discuss model rocketry in general and older model rockets in particular.

If half of what a casual visitor opens is about someone's utter fascination with what comes out of his ass or threads with inconspicuous names vigorously proselytizing some ultra-political agenda, the average person who was looking for a place to discuss old model rockets isn't going to be interested.

I can't imagine Vern or Gleda NOT having an interest in old rockets. But do you honestly think they'd have any interest in the threads we're talking about here?

This isn't about the grand political underpinnings of society. It's about being polite and well-mannered when you are a guest at a gathering. I know that's of absolutely no concern to several of you but since you rarely post anything on topic I would be just as happy if you left.

There are thousands of hobby forums out there where your rantings are just as inappropriate and irrelevant. Why not inflict your self-righteous self-absorbed first amendment crusade on one of them and give all of us here a break?

[fulldec]

This isn't an issue of the general state of America or first amendment rights or anything like it. This is Ye Olde Rocket Forum, a place where people are hopefully attracted to discuss model rocketry in general and older model rockets in particular.

If half of what a casual visitor opens is about someone's utter fascination with what comes out of his ass or threads with inconspicuous names vigorously proselytizing some ultra-political agenda, the average person who was looking for a place to discuss old model rockets isn't going to be interested.

I can't imagine Vern or Gleda NOT having an interest in old rockets. But do you honestly think they'd have any interest in the threads we're talking about here?

This isn't about the grand political underpinnings of society. It's about being polite and well-mannered when you are a guest at a gathering. I know that's of absolutely no concern to several of you but since you rarely post anything on topic I would be just as happy if you left.

There are thousands of hobby forums out there where your rantings are just as inappropriate and irrelevant. Why not inflict your self-righteous self-absorbed first amendment crusade on one of them and give all of us here a break?

Yup.

A daily scan of the New Posts, or Today's Posts create a snapshot impression of this community. Frankly, it seems this community is fascinated with potty humor, the latest obituaries, world atrocities, and perhaps a topic or two model rocketry. YORF has been getting less and less interesting to me for many months.

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

This isn't an issue of the general state of America or first amendment rights or anything like it. This is Ye Olde Rocket Forum, a place where people are hopefully attracted to discuss model rocketry in general and older model rockets in particular.

If half of what a casual visitor opens is about someone's utter fascination with what comes out of his ass or threads with inconspicuous names vigorously proselytizing some ultra-political agenda, the average person who was looking for a place to discuss old model rockets isn't going to be interested.

I can't imagine Vern or Gleda NOT having an interest in old rockets. But do you honestly think they'd have any interest in the threads we're talking about here?

This isn't about the grand political underpinnings of society. It's about being polite and well-mannered when you are a guest at a gathering. I know that's of absolutely no concern to several of you but since you rarely post anything on topic I would be just as happy if you left.

There are thousands of hobby forums out there where your rantings are just as inappropriate and irrelevant. Why not inflict your self-righteous self-absorbed first amendment crusade on one of them and give all of us here a break?
Nicely said. :cool:

[tbzep]

Fact: It is Scott's forum. Bernomatic and others, it is no cop-out whatsoever. If you want to keep the forum, you better respect the fact that it is his and he makes the rules. Refer to Bill's post to GH and go create your own forum if you don't like it. Scott didn't remove all off topic threads, just the more pungent ones.

Fact: YORF was created partially to allow off topic posts aren't allowed on Yahoo Old Rockets. Tractors, orange paint, and Teri Garr posts were specifically mentioned in the invitation, but obviously were meant as a humorous way to tell us on Yahoo Old Rockets to take off-topic stuff to the new forum and leave Old Rockets pure.

Fact: If this forum bans off topic it will decline to a trickle with a bandwidth similar to Yahoo Old Rockets group. The same posters will be making what amounts to the same posts over and over, with slightly different photos. Look at all on-topic posts of the past year and you probably will only find one or two totally new topics about old rockets that haven't been discussed before. You will never see significant growth without socialization, especially since this is a niche forum (old rockets).

Fact: In order for the forum to thrive, there has to be a happy medium in the off topic area to allow socialization without off topic posts completely taking over the forum. IOT, there has to be at least a little bit of self moderation or organized moderation.

Ok, the last two could be considered opinion, but I'd bet my and GH's salary that I'm dead on target.

[Bob H]

Yup.

A daily scan of the New Posts, or Today's Posts create a snapshot impression of this community. Frankly, it seems this community is fascinated with potty humor, the latest obituaries, world atrocities, and perhaps a topic or two model rocketry. YORF has been getting less and less interesting to me for many months.I rarely post on any forums anymore but this post is exactly what I have been finding for some time now.

When I click on New Posts, I don't find many rocketry themed threads so end up just clicking Mark Forums read and moving on.

EDIT: Today there were 4 threads that were rocketry related for new posts and I hope the trend continues.

[shrox]

A post about something stinky is easy to avoid. When someone purposely makes a bad smell and it enters my nostrils, that is very different.

[mojo1986]

This isn't an issue of the general state of America or first amendment rights or anything like it. This is Ye Olde Rocket Forum, a place where people are hopefully attracted to discuss model rocketry in general and older model rockets in particular.

If half of what a casual visitor opens is about someone's utter fascination with what comes out of his ass or threads with inconspicuous names vigorously proselytizing some ultra-political agenda, the average person who was looking for a place to discuss old model rockets isn't going to be interested.

I can't imagine Vern or Gleda NOT having an interest in old rockets. But do you honestly think they'd have any interest in the threads we're talking about here?

This isn't about the grand political underpinnings of society. It's about being polite and well-mannered when you are a guest at a gathering. I know that's of absolutely no concern to several of you but since you rarely post anything on topic I would be just as happy if you left.

There are thousands of hobby forums out there where your rantings are just as inappropriate and irrelevant. Why not inflict your self-righteous self-absorbed first amendment crusade on one of them and give all of us here a break?

Wow! Very well said!

[luke strawwalker]

Pretty sure my wife would like the hobby less if I was interacting with real females at launches.

Exactly...

Later! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

I have to say that your post mystifies me. And pehaps this post is displaying my ignorance. But was there any significant 'crybaby whining' over the stinkum posts?

No, not specifically on the "stinkum" posts, but a certain knob who's only purpose on the forums seemed to be running around posting a half-page cut-n-paste of the "rules" and issuing condescending, chiding comments every time he saw anything even remotely not to his liking... and despite him doing many of the same sorts of things himself...

It's one thing to post and say "yeah, I don't like this topic" or otherwise make one's opinion on the matter known-- it's quite another to go running around like some self-appointed "forum pope" and deciding what threads should be allowed to be discussed and which ones shouldn't... I don't have a problem with the "click the triangle exclamation point" thing on TRF to alert a mod when you see something that uses off-color language in the open or that one thinks crosses the line, but this tool wasn't doing that. He was going off on his own diatribe and being a condescending A-hole and basically just ran around the forums looking for ANYTHING *HE* didn't approve of being discussed (usually only what *HE* disagreed with-- if the thread had viewpoints he espoused he was remarkably quiet).

What I can't figure out is people that simply don't have the intelligence or maturity to simply read the thread title and/or maybe a few posts and if the thread takes a turn into a la-la land you don't care to read about, QUIT FRIGGIN READING IT! There's been more than a few threads that I read, found the discussion taking off in a direction I didn't care to continue, and just closed it and went on to something else... and remembered not to click on it anymore when it shows up in the "new posts" list... It's not hard-- it's not "rocket science", but for some folks, they just seem to get their jollies "looking for a fight" and going around making trouble. It's like that story of the little old lady who called the cops because her neighbor was "exposing himself" in his house across the way... the cops show up and look and say "I can't see anything!" and the little old lady says, "Well, if you stand on this CHAIR you can!"...

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TOPIC, FRIGGIN SKIP IT! I have yet to see on the news where someone has been held at gunpoint and FORCED to read topics on a rocket forum they don't care to read... If you don't like politics, if you don't like "stinkum" threads, sci-fi babe threads, whatever, DON'T FREAKIN READ THEM!!! If the thread goes off topic and starts wandering in that direction, QUITE FRIGGIN READING IT! Move on to the next thread!

Instead, we get people trying to IMPOSE their own preferences on everyone else, because they're TOO IMMATURE or too lazy to make a judgment call and say to themselves "WHY am I reading THIS?? It's just going to raise my blood pressure for no purpose..." and click the "X" and move on to something else... Stating their OPINION on the matter being discussed is WONDERFUL-- more power to them! We need MORE of that sort of thing...

What we DON'T need is a bunch of crybaby weenies that go around trying to ram THEIR viewpoints down everyone else's throats and posting half-page cut-n-pastes of the rules and making condescending remarks because they don't like the topic... And we don't need total crybaby wussies who, when called on their INFANTILE childish behavior in being such a prig start squalling like an infant and running to every moderator on the friggin' site because they were "attacked" for being an A-hole in the first place...

YORF is pretty good at self policing-- yeah, sometimes it needs a slight "reigning in" of certain topics and discussions and certain posters that tend to focus almost exclusively on posting off-topic, non-rocketry related stuff... What *I* DON'T want to see happen is a bunch of hand-wringing and over-moderation due to a few crybabies unable to take a little responsibility for choosing which topics to read and which ones to completely ignore... like on TRF. That's why I quit TRF entirely not too long ago... I've run into that complete horsesh!t on there many times and I finally said enough is enough and just quit. Don't plan on going back either...

Does that sort of explain things for you?? Make any sense??

As for the "newbies" which someone asked about in another post-- what's so friggin' great about newbies?? TRF is full of them, but most of them don't have a whole heck of a lot worthwhile to contribute... SOME DO, but MOST do not... TRF has a lot of newbies, but most of them post crap about their favorite rock band, or their favorite *whatever* (totally non-rocketry related) etc. and it just increases the noise/signal ratio... Not saying newbies are *always* bad, but just because you have a flood of newbies doesn't mean you're going to have a better forum because of it... in fact, it's often the other way around...

Anyway, hope that clarifies a bit...

Later! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

My understanding was that the "Free For All" forum was for ANYTHING short of Politics or Profanity/Explicit sexuality. Direct Negativity toward sponsors I implicitly understand to be off limits as well.

Did I MISS something here ?
Unless one is the forum OWNER, I cannot and will not understand why the concept of "If you don't like the program, why are you tuning in ?" (In other words why are you reading the thread?) cannot be grasped.

If this was DIRECTLY Scott's doing, I apologize to him and am grateful he hosts this forum.

If this was the result of SOME WHINEBOX complaining to Scott instead, THAT is TOTALLY different.

Exactly, GH... I don't get it either...

How friggin hard is it??

I check the forum maybe once or twice a day, depending what I'm doing. I stay logged in, I hit "new posts"... when I was on TRF, that would bring up about 3-5 pages of "new posts" that had been made since the last time I was on... here, maybe 1-2 pages.

I read through the list of posts, again on TRF, I might right-click on the "new arrow" beside the topic on maybe 2-3 threads per page... that's about 1 thread in TEN that *I* would even actually bother to read. Everything else was either stupidity (word association games, "my favorite rock band" threads, etc) or something I didn't give a rip about (HPR cert stuff, most HPR builds, etc). Occasionally there'd also be the political/religious/etc. type thread that I would look at the title and say to myself "ya know, there's no sense in reading that-- it'll just get my blood pressure up" and I'd blow right past it.

Now, I can *kinda* commiserate with folks who take off reading a thread on something that IS interesting or has value to them, and see the thread taken off-topic into la-la-land of politics, religion, sci-fi babes, stinkum jokes, etc. that they don't care to read... but still... HOW FREAKING HARD IS IT to scan down the page to see if the thread turns back on topic... WHO is forcing ANYBODY at GUNPOINT to sit there and read every flipping response no matter how stupid or not to their liking it happens to be?? If the thread is totally derailed and the original point has been lost, there's always that "X" up in corner to close that tab and move on to another more worthwhile thread...

I guess some folks just like to get their panties in a bunch... that or they just feel some God-given right to NEVER have to read *anything* they *remotely* personally disagree with or dislike. I simply cannot fathom that sort of childishness... because that's EXACTLY what it is, IMHO-- CHILDISHNESS-- that or sheer laziness, in not being willing to take a little personal responsibility and exercise a little personal choice as to what they actually click on to read...

I'm starting to see more and more why most of the club guys that fly off our farm NEVER go to the rocket forums... and the ones that have don't anymore...

If it's just going to be a mamby-pamby "walk-on-eggshells-at-all-times-so-we-don't-upset-the-crybabies", because *God forbid* they actually end up reading something that *they* don't like or *they* were "offended" by, well, then to h3ll with it...

BTW, on YORF, I end up reading about probably 75%-90% of the topics that pop up in a "New posts" search... on TRF it was more like 10%. Of that 75-90% that I read on here, most of them are good rocket-related topics, or just diversionary stuff that one can take or leave... But when I read some political or other rants, I don't go into meltdown mode and go on some CRUSADE to get someone banned or the thread pulled... I just close it and move on. What's SO hard about that???

Later! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

Shall I run another Ebay auction?

Only if there's more cheerleader pics holding the rocket...

Oh wait-- someone's old lady will flip out over that...

:p :chuckle: Geez, there's no friggin' end to it...

Again... If you don't like the topic, DON'T READ IT!

Later! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

Good lord, it is no wonder our society is going down the drain. With the over abundance of whiners and do gooders (and of course the whining do gooder) it is a wonder that anyone has been able to show any maturity and ability to make a decision for themselves. It is not bad enough that as a whole society is narcissistic, but that that they feel they have the RIGHT to determine what others should or shouldn't read, view or listen to is the ultimate level of a nanny state. Taking away the privilege to decide for myself what I should or shouldn't read is a power I wouldn't grant to anybody. Claiming this is Scott's site and he has the right to do it is a cope out of a great magnitude.

If an individual poster or visitor to this site complains enough to get a specific thread pulled, where does it end. My previous post seemingly from my wife is a warning. If one person thinks something is wrong, how much pressure can they bring to bear before the owner caves? Would my wife have to alert NOW of the sexism involved? I would assume under the pressure of that group the threads would be eliminated.

Personally I have my issues with some of GH's stuff, but I don't click on most of it. I am a mature adult human being who can and DOES make decisions for myself. If I see a thread labeled "stink pranks" by GH I have enough wisdom, intelligence and self respect not to click on it unless I have smacked myself in the head a couple of times to lower my intelligence.

If this site is as most of the above posters claim about model rocketry alone, then Scott needs to get rid of the whole Free for All section and closely watch the rest of the areas for ANY straying from topic PERIOD! PERIOD! PERIOD! No if's, and's , or but jokes.

In short grow up and show that you are a THINKING human being able to show a little self restraint and wisdom and have a pair that are capable of taking responsibility for your own actions while not being so self important that you think you should not be offended by anything in this world. That you are a man smart enough to know that a thread by GH with the word stink or prank in the title is something you're not probably going to be thrilled by it and strong enough to not succumb to your infantilism by clicking on the link.


Thank the Lord there are at LEAST 3-4 here WHO FREAKIN' GET IT!!!!

Couldn't agree more and SO well said!!!!

Later! OL JR :)

[tmacklin]

Ok Luke Strawwalker but only if you insist. I'll have you know that these young ladies are all working their way through college and studying various disciplines of engineering and they thought it would be interesting to see the future of rocketry.

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

I try to think of YORF as a party that I've been invited to. Lots of people at the party, so I see quite a bit of the ones I know, and less of those I don't. Whatever the case, I like being invited back to the party, so I try not to piss anyone off to the point that the host doesn't cross me off the guest list for the next one. Even more, I try not to piss the host off to the point that he says "Who's the assclown dropping deuce on my coffee table and talking about how artistic it is?", because the next thought is "This was a pretty good party, but now people are leaving because of the steaming pile of art on my coffee table and the loudmouth who demands that everyone appreciate it. Do I really need artists like this at my gathering? NO!" The next scene has the artist being dragged out and tossed into the street, all the while crowing about his rights to express himself and his art. There is much rejoicing and the rest of the party guests return to talking about subjects not found on third grade playgrounds. Good times. Noodle salad.
In a nutshell, I'm not the least bit sorry that I sent the message about the issue at hand, I was never the least bit concerned about anyone finding out it was me, and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. If I decide to bring my interest in butt plugs to the forum and someone objects, I'd have zero problem being called on it. It's Scott's forum. With Scott's money. And Scott does a pretty good job of setting the rules and knowing when enough is enough without my help. By my count, this is twice that I've felt the need to make a complaint. The last time it may have had some effect on the problem, but the problem kept coming back and eventually handled itself when it became the only person banned from the forum, all because of HIS OWN BIG MOUTH! See a common thread here? Rights? Yeah, you have rights. You have the right to petition for change. Maybe ask Scott if there can be a secret subforum where you need a special password to get in and talk poopy with the other stink fans. (Oh, wait. That would make you like TRF, wouldn't it? Can't have that.) Failing to get your way by all other methods, then by all means take my earlier suggestion and start your own forum, with your own money, and your own rules. Enjoy the party. I don't imagine you're going to have a ton of guests, but stand tall on your rights and enjoy each other. Wait. Did you hear that? Sounds like the whiners and crybabies carrying on as before, but with marginally fresher air. Don't read anything into that. I'm sure they miss you.

[ghrocketman]

Now THAT'S a PIC, Ted !!!!

[bernomatic]

Don't have time to go into detail, but in short...

Yes if the pile of excrement was sitting in the middle of the entranceway, you would have a point. However, it is in a back room with a sign on the door stating what you will see on the other side, or states the artist's name, whom you have no regard for after seeing his previous "art". Maybe a neophyte in the art world may not have seen his work, but the neophyte should be exposed to it at some point in time so he can form an opinion of it himself.

YES IT IS SCOTT'S FORUM. But, Scott would not have much of a forum without posters. Especially with this type of forum (niche). He has to balance things, I understand. I am not looking to bring back GH's stink prank's thread. I am trying to make the power that be see that he needs to make these decisions with care, least he become like that other forum were a bunch of the talent has fled or been exiled.

As for making my own forum, ....

[tmacklin]

Now THAT'S a PIC, Ted !!!!

All credit goes to my younger brother James who just went through a quadruple heart bypass procedure. If Texas Tech should get their panties in a wad over this clever photo shop job by Team Macklin, our defense will be that we were only trying to spur enrollment in their fine engineering department with a little harmless cheesecake. :D

[tbzep]

I am trying to make the power that be see that he needs to make these decisions with care, least he become like that other forum were a bunch of the talent has fled or been exiled.

He has banned only one person and only deleted 8 or 10 threads in the whole lifetime of the forum, most of which JD and PO were the main posters. I think that he's been extremely patient and lenient. This "heavy handed moderation" you are imagining has done nothing to run anyone off.

[ghrocketman]

Like I said before, I'm willing to let this drop and so is Bill.
Honestly, I can objectively see all viewpoints here and can understand at some times we as a community are going to have to agree to disagree.
I'm the first to admit I have a slightly 'warped' sense of humor that several others find funny as well.
The humor is only a 'side note' as to why I'm here anyway.
Some can, and some cannot handle my particular BRAND of humor; no big deal and I'm over it.

This is a ROCKETRY forum after all anyway, friends.

Let's get back to the regularly scheduled ROCKET program, same Rocket channel, same Rocket time ! :D

[mojo1986]

Like I said before, I'm willing to let this drop and so is Bill.
Honestly, I can objectively see all viewpoints here and can understand at some times we as a community are going to have to agree to disagree.
I'm the first to admit I have a slightly 'warped' sense of humor that several others find funny as well.
The humor is only a 'side note' as to why I'm here anyway.
Some can, and some cannot handle my particular BRAND of humor; no big deal and I'm over it.

This is a ROCKETRY forum after all anyway, friends.

Let's get back to the regularly scheduled ROCKET program, same Rocket channel, same Rocket time ! :D

Amen, GH, and well said!

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

Yeah, I would love to log in and find this thread locked. No good is going to come of this.

[ghrocketman]

Bill- as the OP is there a way I can delete it ?

[luke strawwalker]

Ok Luke Strawwalker but only if you insist. I'll have you know that these young ladies are all working their way through college and studying various disciplines of engineering and they thought it would be interesting to see the future of rocketry.

Well, then... the future is lookin' mighty bright! :D

Later! OL JR :)

[luke strawwalker]

Don't have time to go into detail, but in short...

Yes if the pile of excrement was sitting in the middle of the entranceway, you would have a point. However, it is in a back room with a sign on the door stating what you will see on the other side, or states the artist's name, whom you have no regard for after seeing his previous "art". Maybe a neophyte in the art world may not have seen his work, but the neophyte should be exposed to it at some point in time so he can form an opinion of it himself.

YES IT IS SCOTT'S FORUM. But, Scott would not have much of a forum without posters. Especially with this type of forum (niche). He has to balance things, I understand. I am not looking to bring back GH's stink prank's thread. I am trying to make the power that be see that he needs to make these decisions with care, least he become like that other forum were a bunch of the talent has fled or been exiled.

As for making my own forum, ....

Yes, exactly... :) Later! OL JR :)

[Rich Holmes]

I rarely post on any forums anymore but this post is exactly what I have been finding for some time now.

When I click on New Posts, I don't find many rocketry themed threads so end up just clicking Mark Forums read and moving on.

EDIT: Today there were 4 threads that were rocketry related for new posts and I hope the trend continues.

It fluctuates.

I use the following modification of a Chrome extension I found somewhere on the web. It removes FreeForAll posts from YORF search results, which includes "Today's Posts" and "New Posts". I can still read the FreeForAll forum if I navigate there directly, which I (obviously!) do occasionally. Mostly I don't, and I find this script makes a visit to YORF a good deal more rewarding. YMMV.

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[luke strawwalker]

Like I said before, I'm willing to let this drop and so is Bill.
Honestly, I can objectively see all viewpoints here and can understand at some times we as a community are going to have to agree to disagree.
I'm the first to admit I have a slightly 'warped' sense of humor that several others find funny as well.
The humor is only a 'side note' as to why I'm here anyway.
Some can, and some cannot handle my particular BRAND of humor; no big deal and I'm over it.

This is a ROCKETRY forum after all anyway, friends.

Let's get back to the regularly scheduled ROCKET program, same Rocket channel, same Rocket time ! :D

Exactly...

Unfortunately some folks will only "agree to disagree" *IF* they get their own way...

I see all the viewpoints, and I agree with those who find some of GH's "humor" rather juvenile and rather excessive and tiresome, but I still say it remains in the purview of the READER to decide WHAT to read and what to avoid.

Anyway, back to rocket topics... it's all well and good...

I've VERY thankful we haven't sunk to the same pathetic level as TRF.

Later! OL JR :)

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

Bill- as the OP is there a way I can delete it ?
Send Scott a PM and ask him to kill it? :confused:

[ghrocketman]

Now if we could just get Estes to re-issue the 1/45 Scale Little Joe II, with cluster AND Enerjet 29mm engine mounts....

[luke strawwalker]

Now if we could just get Estes to re-issue the 1/45 Scale Little Joe II, with cluster AND Enerjet 29mm engine mounts....

Your sense of humor IS odd... LOL:)

Later! OL JR :)

[ghrocketman]

It was an intentional Thread-JAKK of my own thread from a non-rocketry one to a rocketry one in the 'free-fer-all' section.

[luke strawwalker]

It was an intentional Thread-JAKK of my own thread from a non-rocketry one to a rocketry one in the 'free-fer-all' section.

I figured as much...

I was referring to the fact that the choices you'd want to see come back are about as unlikely to ever happen as anything possibly could be...

I was just trying to find a humorous way to phrase it... guess I missed... LOL:)

Later! OL JR :)

[ghrocketman]

Hell, I'd like to see Estes bring-back ANY of the Enerjet kits from the 1972 Enerjet Catalog as "classic series" kits.
That's something even Semroc never did.

1972 Enerjet version AeroDart
Pterodactyl hitch-hiker glider
Enerjet-version Egg Crate
Enerjet Athena
Enerjet (working smoke) version Nike Smoke (with 29mm mount)
Enerjet 1340 (large AND small payload version)
Enerjet 2250
Enerjet 2650
Nike Ram

I think Estes would sell tons of those compared to some of the idiotic kits they brought back as 'classics' like the Chuter II, incorrect fin-can Phoenix Bird, Flutter By, Star Trooper, and other DUMB choices.

[foamy]

Hey, hey! Chuter II is a nice rocket—in it's orignal Centuri form.

[Randy]

Ok Luke Strawwalker but only if you insist. I'll have you know that these young ladies are all working their way through college and studying various disciplines of engineering and they thought it would be interesting to see the future of rocketry.

Thanks to the photo, this is the best post of the entire thread.

Randy
www.vernarockets.com
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[Randy]

Kevin would be correct. I got sick of seeing posts like that, FreeForAll or not.

And the above, ladies & gentlemen, is the ONLY opinion that is important in all of the posts to this or any other thread on YORF.

It SHOULD have been the last post to this thread.

Randy
www.vernarockets.com
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HHJHOK6
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O14ET8K
https://www.facebook.com/RocketBabeDustStorm

[ghrocketman]

I see as unlikely as it seemed, we ARE in fact getting Estes to sorta re-issue that Centuri 1/45 Little Joe II.
Wish it had interchangeable motor mounts though- 3x18mm (original type), 24mm, and 29mm (original Enerjet option mount).
I'm going to make mine 29mm. One can always adapt DOWN but never up.
There are just so many choices in the 29mm RMS hobbyline case.