V-1 Buzz Bomb

[jeffyjeep]

I saw a flying German V-1 on Ebay today. Did Estes ever have a kit for that? Are there plans for a flying scale model? I'd LOVE to replicate a "Doodlebug"!

[sandman]

Yes, I saw that too but no, Estes never made a flying V-1.

I think there is a German company that does or use to but I forget their name at the moment.

Not the best quality kits out there.

[blackshire]

I saw a flying German V-1 on Ebay today. Did Estes ever have a kit for that? Are there plans for a flying scale model? I'd LOVE to replicate a "Doodlebug"!Is it rocket-powered or pulsejet-powered? (There are working model-size pulsejet engines, which usually power high-speed [180 - 200 mph] C/L [Control Line] model airplanes.) Like their full-size Argus (the V-1 powerplant) brethren, the model-size pulsejets are extremely loud and produce a lot of vibration.

[chrism]

According to Wikipedia, it had a pulse jet. It would be neat if a company made a flying model. Probably would have to be modified similiar to Semroc's Baka flying bomd or their Gee'hod. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_(flying_bomb)

[blackshire]

According to Wikipedia, it had a pulse jet. It would be neat if a company made a flying model. Probably would have to be modified similiar to Semroc's Baka flying bomd or their Gee'hod. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_(flying_bomb)I was referring to the (apparent) model that jeffyjeep saw on eBay ("a flying German V-1"). Also:

There was a "motorjet" (ducted fan) powered version of the Baka (the National Air & Space Museum has the only surviving example, see: http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/Histories/Yoko-22/Ohka22.htm ) that never saw service but was close to being test flown. (The motorjet propulsion system was flight tested aboard a "Betty" bomber [it was affixed to the underside of the aircraft's fuselage].) This version of the Baka would make a good scale glow engine or electric ducted fan-powered R/C (Radio Control) or C/L (Control Line) model airplane.

[mikeyd]

It is Noris Rocketry, a German rocket company. Here is a link using Googles translator.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.noris-raketen.de/shop/catalog/browse%3Fshop_param%3D&ei=V6o0TqfYKK600AHV6dWNDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCkQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNoris%2BRaketen%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D627%26prmd%3Divns

Sorry never used tiny url

Here is the direct link

http://www.noris-raketen.de/shop/category_5/Historische-Modelle.html?shop_param=cid%3D%26

[blackshire]

It is Noris Rocketry, a German rocket company. Here is a link using Googles translator.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.noris-raketen.de/shop/catalog/browse%3Fshop_param%3D&ei=V6o0TqfYKK600AHV6dWNDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCkQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNoris%2BRaketen%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D627%26prmd%3Divns

Sorry never used tiny url

Here is the direct link

http://www.noris-raketen.de/shop/category_5/Historische-Modelle.html?shop_param=cid%3D%26Thank you for posting those links. I have never seen or built a Noris model rocket kit, but everything I've read about them is universally...well, the most charitable of all of the reviews I've read said that their kits can, with considerable effort, be built into nice models...

[mikeyd]

I have the V-1 and the Vostock, unbuilt, and yes the parts are a bit rough, and parts do not fit the best. Not for the beginner. Here are pictures of the Vostock kit.

[jetlag]

I've cut my finger at least twice looking at that vacuum-formed sheet of all those tiny parts! :D
There sure are a lot...

Allen

[blackshire]

I've cut my finger at least twice looking at that vacuum-formed sheet of all those tiny parts! :D
There sure are a lot...

AllenIndeed! They remind me of watching my father swear while cutting out all of the vacuum-formed parts of the Estes U.S.S. Enterprise (score around part with X-ACTO knife, flex plastic sheet away from part, curse [optional] if edge of part begins to split, carefully sand "cracked-away" edges of part on taped-down sheet of sandpaper, repeat for next part...). My late-production Estes Space Shuttle had die-cut vacuum-formed plastic parts, so I wonder if such parts could possibly be laser-cut? That would certainly cut down on the labor required to remove the parts from their plastic sheets without wrecking them.

[jeffyjeep]

It is Noris Rocketry, a German rocket company. Here is a link using Googles translator.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.noris-raketen.de/shop/catalog/browse%3Fshop_param%3D&ei=V6o0TqfYKK600AHV6dWNDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCkQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNoris%2BRaketen%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D627%26prmd%3Divns

Sorry never used tiny url

Here is the direct link

http://www.noris-raketen.de/shop/category_5/Historische-Modelle.html?shop_param=cid%3D%26
I see that Apogee has 3 Noris kits--but the V-1 isn't one of them.

I'll keep looking.

[mycrofte]

I remember (from many years ago) someone in an R/C magazine had built a pulse jet version.

[jeffyjeep]

I had the pleasure of seeing a real and intact captured V-1 at the Cosmosphere in Hutchinson, KS. It's complete, except the Amatol H.E. had been removed of course. It was very interesting to see a single spark plug on top of the pulse-jet motor. Quite simplistic actually: ramp aimed, pulse jet powered (instead of a rocket), prop.-powered mechanical odometer signalled the motor to stop pushing and let the craft descend and go boom. I don't remember the figures, but a V-1 was a fraction of the cost of a V2/A4.

[kevinj]

Here's the V-1 kit.

[jeffyjeep]

Is this YOUR kit?

[Daddyisabar]

I am one of the few crazies who have built and flown the Ariane and the Vostok many times. The Ariane is great on a C6-3 and really rips on a D 21. The Vostok is fine on a D12-3. I bought my kits from Apogee so they had been upgraded with Apogee tubes. The quality of the vacuform is very good. The instructions on the Ariane are laughable. Apogee tried to upgrade the instructions on the Vostok but they still have some gotchyas! You have to figure out you own way to attach the boosters and some strakes ala Dr.Zooch have worked great for me. There may be some parts you don't use with funny names . . . but don't be alarmed. The Fallschirmhaltenrung not used in the Ariane came in very handy on the Vostok. Beware of the supplied fire proof pollow bunting you are to use as recovery wadding - NOT BIODEGRADEABLE - LABLED AS DISGUSTING WHEN SHOWN TO ECO FRIENDLY MEMBERS OF THE CLUB. The scale guys hate these things and the decals are nothing to write home about. Expensive they are as the Eruo is geting dearer. The clear plastic for the interstage on the Vostok is interesting and strong, but I ended up using stripng tape inteasd of the supplied decal. I also did the ping pong ball Vostok capsule modification and I am thinking of adding of some paperclip antennas for a real high end look.

As the Duke would say "These kits ain't fer children." One guy on this forum wouldn't wish these kits on his worst enemy. These kits are not for the run of the mill Yankee rocketeer. If you think you've got what it takes to join the Master Race then order up one from Germany or Apogee and have at it. On the Vostok get ready for skill Level Six, noseweight, long construction times, paitence filling vacuform seams and a fin repair after every flight. On the Ariane peel & stick decal you get one shot baby - and it better be straight! I have heard on the V1 it is just a matter of noseweight and prayer. The Soyuz is in my build que for this winter and I have been thinking of ordering the others direct.

So, if you are crazy and can put up with all this then you, my friend, could be one of the few, the proud, Das Modell, Noris Raketten fliers in the US. Flew my Vostok at NARAM 52. I waited for the LCO and RSO to be the guys who had seen the succesful 2nd flight at the COSROC's lauch a few weeks before. Lots of comments in line as no one had ever seen one before. As always she flew nice and straight and ejected at apogee. The heavy little bird needs all that plastic chute and she landed right by the EMT Van. Cracked a fin but at least the EMTs were glad it did not injure anyone. The High Power guys up at NCR really liked the Ariane on the D21.

As the box says: INTERESSANT! IMMER WIEDER VERWENDBAR! LEHRREICH! RAKETENFLIEGEN GANZJAHRIG ERLAUBT! SICHER! Thanks Thorwald Petersen of Nurnberg!

[kevinj]

Is this YOUR kit?
Yeap, pulled it out of the box of kits just to take the photo because of this thread. Figured you didn't want to see my couch too.

I also have and have flown the Noris A-9 kit.

kj

[Daddyisabar]

Love to see a build thread or feed back on flying other Noris kits.

[jharding58]

The Apogee imports of Noris kits are certainly an improvement over the native purchases. I have built the Wasserfall, Natter, and the Ariane, with the latter being the import. Certainly the tubes are improved, the rings still leave a little to be desired in that they can be a little thin. The vacuum formed parts can look a little kludgey since they are usually slipped over the tube as opposed to into.

Once assembled the models are relatively rigid but the advantage here goes to the Apogee import simply due to the replacement tubes. Marking the models - especially the Ariane, is a bear. As others have observed the use self adhesive decals means a nice warm water bath and a faint pecil line along the long axis of the tubes to get them right. Also the width of the markings needs to be checked against the diameter and all but the minimum overlap removed. There are so many circumferential markings that is you have stretched the marking during application you will never have all of them line up. That is why you need to apply them wet and be very light fingered until you are sure of the position.

[Daddyisabar]

Warm water decal bath - why didn't I think of that, guess I still have a few hundred years to go to make Master Tinkerer. Fortunately, I did get the Ariane decals on mostly straight, well good enough for the LCO at NCR to call the rocket a "nice little scale job." But how do the Natter, A-9, Wasserfall or V-1 fly? If I can get the Hostile Projectiles V-23 to fly with out poking my eye out am I ready to move up to the bad boy Noris kits? Should I get my wife's friend from Germany over and place an order directly? Will I go broke ordering and shipping these kits direct from the Fatherland?

[jharding58]

The Noris website has the models for around $45.00 to $50.00 for the kit and then shipping. The Ariane on the website lists as around $43.00 while Apogee has the model for $68.70 plus S/H. If you have a contact in Germany that can ship to you and is willing to mark the items as a gift, and you buy two or three, then it might be worth your while. You will still have the issues of language to deal with but you might save a little money, plus you have the advantage that you can get kits that are not presently imported.

[kevinj]

But how do the Natter, A-9, Wasserfall or V-1 fly?

Dunno about the Natter, but the A-9 flies great on a D12-3.
I have made my own scratch built Wasserfalls in BT-60 and BT-50 sizes. They fly great on C6-3 and A10-3 respectively.

[jharding58]

Dunno about the Natter, but the A-9 flies great on a D12-3.
I have made my own scratch built Wasserfalls in BT-60 and BT-50 sizes. They fly great on C6-3 and A10-3 respectively.

Stick enough noseweight in it or it porposies.

[jamjammer53150]

As soon as I finish up this years major challenge ( a functional Apollo lander) , the next thing on my "Im to stupid to not do it " list is a Natter .

Years ago I tried this with mechanics and primitive electronics with a rather un eventful crash .

1. send up the Natter with both a centeral motor and strap ons
2. at apogee fire some mini rockets out the nose
3. Seperate and deploy
a. the tail
b. the nose
c. An action figure

So I want to simulate a natter flight

[CPMcGraw]

As soon as I finish up this years major challenge ( a functional Apollo lander) , the next thing on my "Im to stupid to not do it " list is a Natter .

Years ago I tried this with mechanics and primitive electronics with a rather un eventful crash .

[snip..]

So I want to simulate a natter flight

I think history shows... you already did... :D

Not sure if there are bonus points for scale crashing, though...

[chrism]

If anybody is interested here is a link that discusses German WWII rockets and other secret weapons. http://greyfalcon.us/restored/History%20of%20German%20Rocketry.htm

[jharding58]

I think history shows... you already did... :D

Not sure if there are bonus points for scale crashing, though...

God rest you Lothar Sieber.