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leftover 07-19-2017 11:07 PM

Peter Always Saturn V
 
Hi All
I am desperately seeking. Peter Always Saturn V.
I donated mine several years ago to a fund raiser drive our club had for a member who was terminally ill thinking I would buy another. Problem is I have never seen another one for sale. I even reached out to Peter but he had no source for them either.
So my hope is somebody has one they can live without

UMRS 07-21-2017 01:07 AM

We carried all of Peters Kits. Currently they are all OOP. They suffer from the same problem that the Edmonds kits suffer from. The pricing is way behind the original deals made with the designers.

Example a Deltie Thunder usually sold for say 29.00 . With Balsa prices and labor to get the lasers up and running and cutting that same kit would be around 55.00 or so.

Bill at BMS was the manufacturer for the Always & Edmonds kits. We have 2 laser cutters but do not have permission from the original designers to produce their kits.

Until some new deals can be worked out I don't see any new kits for either in the future.

the mole 07-21-2017 10:05 AM

To me, this was the perfect size for the Saturn V. Not too small and not too big.
I wish ESTES or Apogee would produce this scale of Saturn V and Saturn 1b.

scott_mills 07-23-2017 12:44 AM

Since I've never seen one, what size body tubes was it based on ?

the mole 07-23-2017 08:04 AM

You can see a review here.
https://www.rocketreviews.com/peter...evens-chan.html

The kit had a second run after the first run sold out. In the second run, the dummy F-1 engine was represented with a new method of making the engine bells by using paper cones. The price for the kit was the same but I bet not having to turn those little top bell brought the production cost down.
Heres a picture of the second run engine. Thanks, Chris.
https://www.rocketreviews.com/satur...s-saturn-v.html

hcmbanjo 07-23-2017 09:34 AM

I also did a (partial) build of the Alway Saturn V on Rocket Reviews:
https://www.rocketreviews.com/satur...s-saturn-v.html

Here's some followup posts on my build blog:
http://modelrocketbuilding.blogspot...MS%20Saturn%20V

leftover 09-05-2017 10:59 PM

Ended up with two of these after looking for years.Have to love this forum..


Thanks again Frank

Scott_650 09-06-2017 09:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by the mole
To me, this was the perfect size for the Saturn V. Not too small and not too big.
I wish ESTES or Apogee would produce this scale of Saturn V and Saturn 1b.


Has anyone ever produced a BT-80 based Saturn V kit? Doing some rough math gives you a 28.6 inch length - a Saturn V just a few inches longer than a Big Bertha sounds like a good idea to me .

Quixote 09-07-2017 07:17 PM

Well if you ever need the parts, the plans are on JimZ's site, http://www.spacemodeling.org/jimz/est1239.htm And the nose cone and SII/SIVB adapter are both available from ERockets in their SEMROC parts catalog. Just might have to make one myself. ;-)

Garth Illerbrun
NAR 26894 L2

hcmbanjo 09-07-2017 07:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quixote
Well if you ever need the parts, the plans are on JimZ's site, http://www.spacemodeling.org/jimz/est1239.htm And the nose cone and SII/SIVB adapter are both available from ERockets in their SEMROC parts catalog. Just might have to make one myself. ;-)

Garth Illerbrun
NAR 26894 L2


That semi-scale Estes Saturn V was BT-60 based.
Dr. Zooch makes a great BT-60 Saturn V kit.
It's actually much better than the Estes #1239 Saturn V,
plus you can fly it without clear fins and the nozzles are on for the flight!

http://modelrocketbuilding.blogspot...DZ%20Saturn%20V

Scott_650 09-07-2017 08:06 PM

Think I'll mock up a BT60 based Saturn V - little blow-up work with the copier on a carded Saturn V model I downloaded a few years ago just to get an idea. Though with TWO Dr Zooch Saturns waiting to be built (thanks to Randy at erockets for the second from my visit to build night!) it's not like I need more Saturns...yeah I do ;-)

luke strawwalker 09-10-2017 12:03 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott_650
Has anyone ever produced a BT-80 based Saturn V kit? Doing some rough math gives you a 28.6 inch length - a Saturn V just a few inches longer than a Big Bertha sounds like a good idea to me .


Kit? No, not to my knowledge, though a few of us have scratch-built one...

It's a shame it's never been kitted, because it IS a REALLY nice size for a Saturn V... big but not TOO big, can be detailed without having to be SUPER-detailed to look right. (The bigger a scale kit is, the smaller and finer the details that must appear on it for it to "look right"... the smaller a scale kit, the less detail and less well-defined detail is necessary for it to look right... case in point-- complex wraps and fine detail on the 1/100 Saturn V necessary for it to look good, whereas on the Dr. Zooch roughly 1:252 Saturn V (BT-60 main tube) printed wraps with mere printed lines looks fine for detailing).

The BT-80 based Saturn V is roughly 1:158 scale... it's nearly a perfect match with the Dr. Zooch BT-60 sized Saturn I's and Saturn IB's... (a BT-80 Saturn V would use a BT-60 for the S-IVB stage, same as the Dr. Zooch Saturn IB's). The proportions are almost perfect (there is a SLIGHT scale difference between the BT-80 tube (2.6 inch diameter) compared to the 396 inch Saturn S-IC/S-II stage stack, and the BT-60 tube (1.367 inch diameter IIRC) and the 260 inch S-IVB stage (the S-IC is about 1:158 scale and the S-IVB is 1:152 scale, but it's not really enough to even notice, and if one wanted to, you could build up one or the other with a layer of paper or cardstock to obtain the exact outer diameter so the scales match...

I turned my own S-II/S-IVB transition from foam, but all the parts for the LEM adapter and Apollo capsule I got a few years ago from Dr. Zooch, including one of his tower kits from a Saturn IB... Since they're the same size tube (BT-60) on his Saturn IB kit, the same parts can be used to make a BT-80 Saturn V since the S-IVB tube is BT-60 on both rockets... IIRC Dr. Zooch sourced the parts from BMS, so one could get the parts from Bill, or if push came to shove, simply cannibalize a Dr. Zooch Saturn IB kit for the needed parts... (or turn all of them yourself, which isn't terribly difficult... )

Here ya go... http://www.oldrocketforum.com/showthread.php?t=9820

Later! OL J R :)

Royatl 09-12-2017 10:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by luke strawwalker
... and the BT-60 tube (1.367 inch diameter IIRC) and the 260 inch S-IVB stage (the S-IC is about 1:158 scale and the S-IVB is 1:152 scale, ...


digits transposed....

BT-60 is 1.637"


Note that BT-60 is a great internal tube for flight converting the Revell Monogram or Airfix 1/144 scale Saturn V.

ghrocketman 09-13-2017 12:47 PM

The BT-60 based semi-scale Saturn V was an AWFUL stand-WAYYYYY-OFF 'scale' abomination of a kit.
Always wished Estes would make a Saturn V the 1/70 scale of the K-29 Saturn 1B.
Now THAT would be a kit.
No, I don't want a 1/70 kit with the cost of the Apogee one.

luke strawwalker 09-14-2017 09:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Royatl
digits transposed....

BT-60 is 1.637"


Note that BT-60 is a great internal tube for flight converting the Revell Monogram or Airfix 1/144 scale Saturn V.


Thanks... brain fart... :) OL J R :)

leftover 10-22-2017 02:07 PM

I really think the Always Saturn it the best of all worlds for a flyable Saturn at a decent price. BMS should return this kit to production. Even at a higher prices than the originals it would still sell I believe.

the mole 10-22-2017 03:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by the mole
To me, this was the perfect size for the Saturn V. Not too small and not too big.


I have heard that BMS might be thinking about making another run of this kit. I understand it takes quite a bit of there time and resources to do this kit. There's no doubt the price will go up.

It's a great kit as is but I would like to draw up some wraps for it. Something like the Dr Zooch Saturn V.


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