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aeppel_cpm 09-10-2017 07:50 AM

Saturn 1B 1/100 centering ring card scan?
 
Good morning modelers,

I'm looking for a scan of the centering ring card for either the Estes or Centuri 1/100 Saturn 1B. Neither the YORP or Jimz seem to have that part scanned.

My EBay found Estes 2048 was missing some rings. I've worked my way around most of them, but thought I'd ask for help on the display motor mount card. It's trickier to recreate.

Charles

the mole 09-10-2017 09:46 PM

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Good morning modelers,

I'm looking for a scan of the centering ring card for either the Estes or Centuri 1/100 Saturn 1B. Neither the YORP or Jimz seem to have that part scanned.


I don't know if this will help you out or not but I make two of these Saturn Star Tank Rings in place of the centering rings you're talking about I think. After you make them you may have to do a little sanding to make everything fit but it works nice.

aeppel_cpm 09-11-2017 08:37 AM

Do you use those instead of the central Jupiter missile tube?

I'm actually looking for the disk that the 8 nozzles mount to. This looks like a nice reference item, though. Thanks.

I've had a generous offer of a spare card - I'll post a scan.

Charles

Doug Sams 09-11-2017 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by aeppel_cpm
Do you use those instead of the central Jupiter missile tube?

I'm actually looking for the disk that the 8 nozzles mount to. This looks like a nice reference item, though. Thanks.

I've had a generous offer of a spare card - I'll post a scan.

Charles
In case that doesn't work, let me know. I have a 1/100 kit that I can scan if necessary.

Doug

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scott_mills 09-11-2017 10:21 AM

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here are the scans also, I recommend using foam core for the centering rings, it works great.

aeppel_cpm 09-26-2017 08:10 AM

Thanks so much, Scott. (!!)

I flew my S1B this past weekend. I made a mistake with the shock cord mounting, resulting in a melted cord and a booster return to earth tail first - like SpaceX, but without the landing burn.

I'd post a picture, but I mostly do rocketry work off my phone, and it's become increasingly difficult to post to YORF. No more photobucket for hosting. Native camera files are too big. Favorite resizing app no longer supported. <sigh>

LeeR 10-01-2017 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aeppel_cpm
Thanks so much, Scott. (!!)

I flew my S1B this past weekend. I made a mistake with the shock cord mounting, resulting in a melted cord and a booster return to earth tail first - like SpaceX, but without the landing burn.

I'd post a picture, but I mostly do rocketry work off my phone, and it's become increasingly difficult to post to YORF. No more photobucket for hosting. Native camera files are too big. Favorite resizing app no longer supported. <sigh>


Charles,

Hope the damage is not too bad, and repairs are possible. I mostly use my iPhone or iPad to post, and the gyrations to post a picture are irritating.

I’m mostly visiting the FB rocketry groups now for this reason. I still come back to YORF to see what’s up, but the decline in posts here is dramatic.

aeppel_cpm 10-01-2017 07:32 PM

Thank Lee.

The Saturn 1B is all repaired. I lost more decals than anything else. Just having a hard time getting the little ones to stick on the flat paint. I should do a little touch up painting, but all is well again.

Now, what's next... a 1/100 space shuttle? Or a 1/35 S1B?

Charles

the mole 10-01-2017 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by aeppel_cpm
Thank Lee.

The Saturn 1B is all repaired. I lost more decals than anything else. Just having a hard time getting the little ones to stick on the flat paint.


You might want to try using these next time you build an S1B.
http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/show...00+Saturn+wraps

LeeR 10-01-2017 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by aeppel_cpm
Thank Lee.

The Saturn 1B is all repaired. I lost more decals than anything else. Just having a hard time getting the little ones to stick on the flat paint. I should do a little touch up painting, but all is well again.

Now, what's next... a 1/100 space shuttle? Or a 1/35 S1B?

Charles


Charles,

It may be too late, but note this for future decal use on flat paint. I use Krylon UV-Resistant Acrylic Clear Gloss over flat paint, apply decals, then use their Matte clear to return the finish to flat. Really works well to hide the edges of a decal.

A number of my favorite paints are flats, so I do this a lot. I've used this technique on lots of different paints, both enamels and lacquers. Just make sure you use several really light coats. The UV-Resistant formulations can be found in the Art Dept. Of Hobby Lobby, it's not stocked with the spray paints, at least in Colorado stores. Michaels may have it also.

I've got an Estes Saturn 1B built, but no paint yet. I think I've waited too long, it's been rainy and cool and not sure it's going to get much warmer for awhile. I've got both a Semroc 1B and the Apogee 1B -- may do the Semroc one over the winter.

aeppel_cpm 10-02-2017 07:55 AM

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You might want to try using these next time you build an S1B.


Was there supposed to be a link or pic in there, Mr. Mole?

For this build, I built up the fins, as many of the original plastic parts were missing. I pre-printed cardstock as part of that, and those looked pretty darn good - when first built. By the time they were in place, they'd picked up enough scuffs that I painted over them. The pre-printing made masking easy, though. Just follow the lines.

The decals that gave me fidgets were the little ones. The flags and the roll targets. They just curled so badly that I couldn't get them to lay flat enough to cover with something. Slightly thinned Titebond NRND worked some. In a few minutes it would get tacky enough to hold the curl down. Microsol failed me. The bigger decals worked fine.

aeppel_cpm 10-02-2017 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LeeR
Charles,

It may be too late, but note this for future decal use on flat paint. I use Krylon UV-Resistant Acrylic Clear Gloss over flat paint, apply decals, then use their Matte clear to return the finish to flat. Really works well to hide the edges of a decal.


Thanks for the tip. I've read many good things about the Krylon clears. All my base and color coats are Rusto 2X - and I really dislike the end result of the 2X Clear. I've been wary of mixing systems - though I do use the Testors Glosscote over the Rusto 2X.

The Estes 2048 S1B isn't quite the Centuri KS-10 I had in my youth. (Picked up at the Kennedy Space Center gift shop circa 1980- that no longer carries model rockets, much to my disappointment!). But it's darn close - and I don't really feel like cutting the fuel tanks to make room for the cluster mount, anyway :-)

Edit: Which Book of Faces groups?

the mole 10-02-2017 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by the mole
You might want to try using these next time you build an S1B.
http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/show...00+Saturn+wraps


I meant to post it like above in the Quote. Too quick on the trigger.

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/show...00+Saturn+wraps

tbzep 10-02-2017 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aeppel_cpm
Thank Lee.

The Saturn 1B is all repaired. I lost more decals than anything else. Just having a hard time getting the little ones to stick on the flat paint. I should do a little touch up painting, but all is well again.

Now, what's next... a 1/100 space shuttle? Or a 1/35 S1B?

Charles

For your next Saturn, paint it with gloss paint so you can apply decals easily, then use a flat clear coat. Make sure the flat/dull clear is compatible with your decals.

aeppel_cpm 10-02-2017 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by the mole
I meant to post it like above in the Quote. Too quick on the trigger.

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/show...00+Saturn+wraps


Those are the patterns I used for the built up fins. Worked great.

the mole 10-02-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by aeppel_cpm
Those are the patterns I used for the built up fins. Worked great.


Glad they worked out for you. I was hoping ESTES would rerelease there 1/100 Saturn 1B by now. Maybe when they do they will have plastic fins like the new Saturn V. I'm just waiting for it to happen.

aeppel_cpm 10-02-2017 09:50 AM

Let's try Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/Z4Dsfi

Hmmm.... can't get the BBCode from the Flickr mobile app. But from the desktop...
Saturn 1B built up fins

That works, so here is the rest:
1/100 fleet...
1/100 US manned space flight.

and flight damage...
Saturn 1B post flight

the mole 10-02-2017 11:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by aeppel_cpm
Let's try Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/Z4Dsfi

Hmmm.... can't get the BBCode from the Flickr mobile app. But from the desktop...
Saturn 1B built up fins

That works, so here is the rest:
1/100 fleet...
1/100 US manned space flight.

and flight damage...
Saturn 1B post flight

Great looking fleet. I like the way you made the fins with the little strip of wood at the bottom of each fin. I need to redo the fin sheet so they are the way you have them arranged so you can just fold them over to cover the fins. Really nice job on those rockets.

aeppel_cpm 10-02-2017 11:48 AM

Thanks.

IIRC, I printed your sheet at 100% to get the pattern for the balsa. Then I ran it through Illustrator, traced it to vector art, and then rearranged the halves into the butterfly form. Printed on cardstock at 101-102% to allow for the increased width and trimmed off the tip overhang. I hand cut little pieces of cardstock to cap the fin tip.

Using Illustrator to trace an image to vector, then rearrange / scale / send to laser cutter has been really handy for me. I have to have AI for label development - if the winery didn't pay for it, I wouldn't.

C.

Oh, and call out to Sandman for the Saturn V Skylab and Titan II GLV nosecones.

C.


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