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View Poll Results: Which motor do we need most ?
B14-x (18mm) 36 32.73%
D30-x (24mm) 15 13.64%
D8-x (18mm like the old Cox D's, not some 20mm oddball diameter) 14 12.73%
A8-0 (18mm) 21 19.09%
1/2A3-0T (13mm) 11 10.00%
C5-x (18mm) 13 11.82%
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Old 09-14-2010, 01:46 PM
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Default Poll: Most needed return/new BP SU engines

Which of the following engines do we need the most in the Single-Use black-powder engine lineup from ANY manufacturer ?

Maybe some manufacturer that reads these forums will LISTEN and produce something we are actually ASKING FOR.

1) B14-x (18mm)
2) D30-x (24mm)
3) D8-x (18mm like the old 13n-sec Cox D's, not an oddball 20mm)
4) A8-0 (18mm)
5) 1/2A3-0 (13mm)
6) C5-x (18mm)
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Old 09-14-2010, 01:48 PM
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I want all of those. period!
Your order of preference is about right to me!

I voted 'B14,' but I was torn, because I think we need an A8-0, too, badly for the smaller fields. Same for the 1/2A3-0.
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I agree with the A8-0 and 1/2A3-0 as well; I tried to list the 6 most needed SU BP engines.
Of these, I think the only ones we have any chance of getting out of a MAJOR manufacturer are 4 thru 6, even though I think the B14 is BY FAR the most needed.
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I agree the B14 is needed, but a third party could buy C6's and drill them and get them certified. Estes said they will never do it. I believe them. I even offered to come drill them myself.

By far the most needed motor is the 24mm 20D30 because it makes possible a wide range of flights that are not possible today except by composites. It makes existing Estes kits fly better. It is the motor most likely to generate a large recurring revenue stream, which is why there even is an Estes.

Most important of all, it's mailable!

The A8-0 is the least amount of materials for the same amount of money. They should do it and let the dealers and distributors carry a bit of inventory for a slow moving SKU.

The 18mm 15-20 D 8 is the most needed and the least likely 18mm motor. The B14 they have to drill. The D8 a certain percentage of them burn through due to batch variances in the paper cases. Now if they spiked the BP with 5% KP . . . . . .

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I believe that Estes will never make the B14 again also.
Does not mean it is right or they could not sell all they could produce.
I just don't like the garbage excuse (everybody has one and they all STINK) of "low sales volume" crapola that they gave at NARAM for reasoning.
Speak the true reason or don't comment at all, which I HIGHLY expect is some mamby-pamby safety BS reason; don't try to feed a turd-wich excuse to intelligent people.

I'm just going to have to turn B4's into pseudo B14's for my private flying area, but that still gives no booster nor a long delay motor. The nozzle on a B4 is correct, whereas the C6 has a nozzle throat diameter that is too small and results in many cato's.
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Now if they spiked the BP with 5% KP . . . . . .

What does spiking the BP accomplish? How hard is it for a manufacturer to do it?

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The engines that I would like to see that aren't on that list is the 1/2A6-0 and 1/2A6-4. These are the IDEAL small field staging engines. They are still making the 1/2A6-2, so it wouldn't be like recreating something long out of production, like a B14 or B8.

That being said, I voted for the B14. Actually, the B14-0 is the only one I really see a dire need for.
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I voted for C5-x only because the A8-0 and A10-0T are supposedly already on the way and you did not include the B8-x which I consider the practical limit unless you are willing to drill them and get them certified.

To get the B14 effect in a single stager, a D21 works wonders...


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Originally Posted by ghrocketman
Which of the following engines do we need the most in the Single-Use black-powder engine lineup from ANY manufacturer ?

Maybe some manufacturer that reads these forums will LISTEN and produce something we are actually ASKING FOR.

1) B14-x (18mm)
2) D30-x (24mm)
3) D8-x (18mm like the old 13n-sec Cox D's, not an oddball 20mm)
4) A8-0 (18mm)
5) 1/2A3-0 (13mm)
6) C5-x (18mm)


Why is it, that there is always some namby-pamby whiner crying over some motor that is not available any longer. It seems to me that any hobbyist that has a clue would have no problem finding motors that will fly anything he has. Seems to me to be an excuse for failure.
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