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Regulatory reduction
Model rockets (MR, LMR, HPR) are in fact model aircraft. Ask the AMA. They operate only in air.
http://www.modelretailer.com/en/The...unlawful .aspx Jerry Last edited by Jerry Irvine : 10-01-2017 at 02:30 PM. |
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I sent this to the current 2017 NAR President today:
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I add: http://v-serv.com/usr/FS-holygrail.jpg http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/me...-model-rockets/ Last edited by Jerry Irvine : 10-01-2017 at 03:12 PM. |
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You would think they would also look at...
...all the motors that have been safely shipped over the decades. It really seems like it should be a non-issue to the DOT.
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Correct. But they also pass the Flammable Solid 4.1 threshold into unregulated materials. Oops.
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Just ship 'em (after carefully wrapping them) in honey. The Palestinians have smuggled ordnance--including of the rocket-propelled variety--that way for years, and the reluctance of border officials to open such containers and search through the sticky stuff works to their advantage...
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A model aircraft is defined as an unmanned aircraft that: capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft flown for hobby or recreational purposes. The second point is probably where the FAA will take it. I think most of the issues with drones in airspace has been when they are flown out of line of sight. Also model rockets have a major portion of their flight profile fall outside the "sustained flight" definition. Sorry Jerry.
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My NAR number is half yours BTW. Oh, and you are a lapdog for overregulation. That is a mere characterization. Last edited by Jerry Irvine : 10-05-2017 at 02:58 PM. |
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The most obvious "lay definition" of "sustained flight" is engine-driven (by means of a propeller, ducted fan, gas turbine, rocket [Jetex or Rapier], or rotor), aerodynamic lift-supported flight. But in addition to un-powered sailplanes and gliders (including model rocket boost-gliders and rocket gliders), aerostatic lift is also used by some model aircraft, such as F/F (Free-Flight) and even R/C (Radio-Control) model hot-air balloons (F/F ones usually have tissue paper envelopes and short burn-time alcohol burners, while R/C ones--which are often scale models--have fabric envelopes and radio-controlled miniature propane burners. Gas-filled R/C model airships (blimps, and even occasional rigid-framed model Zeppelins) are also built and flown, and: "Sustained flight" might also legally encompass semi-ballistic (also called quasi-ballistic) flight, which is found in both the full-scale and scale model fields. Quasi-ballistic missiles fly at high velocity within the atmosphere and can either fly ballistic trajectories (often low, flat, depressed trajectories), or can utilize their velocity and the atmosphere in order to make "energy maneuvers" to evade defenses and/or strike targets that lie far from a ballistic flight ground track (the USAF's air-launched SRAM--Short-Range Attack Missile--could even turn to strike targets *behind* it; the ground-launched Russian Iskander is also a quasi-ballistic missile. R/C boost-gliders and R/C rocket gliders, which can be radio-controlled during powered flight, are also quasi-ballistic flying vehicles during powered flight (and afterward, in the case of such models that have deployable or unfolding wings, until their wings deploy).
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Blackshire's right. It doesn't matter what we think, it's what does the government think. And he's dead-on about "magic words."
Jerry, what exactly is the FAA definition of sustained flight? Distance? Time? Control? Not what do you think it is, what does the regulation say. Or give me a USC or CFR citation and I'll look it up and post it here.
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LOLOLOL... Jerry's highest qualification.
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