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Old 07-19-2017, 11:07 PM
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I am desperately seeking. Peter Always Saturn V.
I donated mine several years ago to a fund raiser drive our club had for a member who was terminally ill thinking I would buy another. Problem is I have never seen another one for sale. I even reached out to Peter but he had no source for them either.
So my hope is somebody has one they can live without
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Old 07-21-2017, 01:07 AM
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We carried all of Peters Kits. Currently they are all OOP. They suffer from the same problem that the Edmonds kits suffer from. The pricing is way behind the original deals made with the designers.

Example a Deltie Thunder usually sold for say 29.00 . With Balsa prices and labor to get the lasers up and running and cutting that same kit would be around 55.00 or so.

Bill at BMS was the manufacturer for the Always & Edmonds kits. We have 2 laser cutters but do not have permission from the original designers to produce their kits.

Until some new deals can be worked out I don't see any new kits for either in the future.
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Old 07-21-2017, 10:05 AM
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To me, this was the perfect size for the Saturn V. Not too small and not too big.
I wish ESTES or Apogee would produce this scale of Saturn V and Saturn 1b.
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Old 07-23-2017, 12:44 AM
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Since I've never seen one, what size body tubes was it based on ?
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Old 07-23-2017, 08:04 AM
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You can see a review here.
https://www.rocketreviews.com/peter...evens-chan.html

The kit had a second run after the first run sold out. In the second run, the dummy F-1 engine was represented with a new method of making the engine bells by using paper cones. The price for the kit was the same but I bet not having to turn those little top bell brought the production cost down.
Heres a picture of the second run engine. Thanks, Chris.
https://www.rocketreviews.com/satur...s-saturn-v.html

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Old 07-23-2017, 09:34 AM
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I also did a (partial) build of the Alway Saturn V on Rocket Reviews:
https://www.rocketreviews.com/satur...s-saturn-v.html

Here's some followup posts on my build blog:
http://modelrocketbuilding.blogspot...MS%20Saturn%20V
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:05 PM
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To me, this was the perfect size for the Saturn V. Not too small and not too big.
I wish ESTES or Apogee would produce this scale of Saturn V and Saturn 1b.


Has anyone ever produced a BT-80 based Saturn V kit? Doing some rough math gives you a 28.6 inch length - a Saturn V just a few inches longer than a Big Bertha sounds like a good idea to me .
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Old 09-10-2017, 12:03 AM
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Has anyone ever produced a BT-80 based Saturn V kit? Doing some rough math gives you a 28.6 inch length - a Saturn V just a few inches longer than a Big Bertha sounds like a good idea to me .


Kit? No, not to my knowledge, though a few of us have scratch-built one...

It's a shame it's never been kitted, because it IS a REALLY nice size for a Saturn V... big but not TOO big, can be detailed without having to be SUPER-detailed to look right. (The bigger a scale kit is, the smaller and finer the details that must appear on it for it to "look right"... the smaller a scale kit, the less detail and less well-defined detail is necessary for it to look right... case in point-- complex wraps and fine detail on the 1/100 Saturn V necessary for it to look good, whereas on the Dr. Zooch roughly 1:252 Saturn V (BT-60 main tube) printed wraps with mere printed lines looks fine for detailing).

The BT-80 based Saturn V is roughly 1:158 scale... it's nearly a perfect match with the Dr. Zooch BT-60 sized Saturn I's and Saturn IB's... (a BT-80 Saturn V would use a BT-60 for the S-IVB stage, same as the Dr. Zooch Saturn IB's). The proportions are almost perfect (there is a SLIGHT scale difference between the BT-80 tube (2.6 inch diameter) compared to the 396 inch Saturn S-IC/S-II stage stack, and the BT-60 tube (1.367 inch diameter IIRC) and the 260 inch S-IVB stage (the S-IC is about 1:158 scale and the S-IVB is 1:152 scale, but it's not really enough to even notice, and if one wanted to, you could build up one or the other with a layer of paper or cardstock to obtain the exact outer diameter so the scales match...

I turned my own S-II/S-IVB transition from foam, but all the parts for the LEM adapter and Apollo capsule I got a few years ago from Dr. Zooch, including one of his tower kits from a Saturn IB... Since they're the same size tube (BT-60) on his Saturn IB kit, the same parts can be used to make a BT-80 Saturn V since the S-IVB tube is BT-60 on both rockets... IIRC Dr. Zooch sourced the parts from BMS, so one could get the parts from Bill, or if push came to shove, simply cannibalize a Dr. Zooch Saturn IB kit for the needed parts... (or turn all of them yourself, which isn't terribly difficult... )

Here ya go... http://www.oldrocketforum.com/showthread.php?t=9820

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... and the BT-60 tube (1.367 inch diameter IIRC) and the 260 inch S-IVB stage (the S-IC is about 1:158 scale and the S-IVB is 1:152 scale, ...


digits transposed....

BT-60 is 1.637"


Note that BT-60 is a great internal tube for flight converting the Revell Monogram or Airfix 1/144 scale Saturn V.
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