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the mole 03-23-2014 09:33 PM

Wrapping a 1/100 Saturn 1B
 
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I'm the guy that posted the 1/70 scale Saturn 1B wraps, but I like the 1/100 scale Saturn 1B the best. To me, it's the right size not too big; not too small. So I have done a set of wraps for the 1/100 scale Saturn 1B. This time, however, I have built the rocket as I drew the wraps, so you can see them as they are applied. I used the ESTES 1/100 Saturn 1B for the tube size, and patterns needed to clone this rocket. If anyone has questions as I'm posting, I will try to answer them if I can. When I get to the end of the build, I will ask Scott to post them like he did the other wraps for those who would like a copy of the wraps.

The first thing I did was read Gus's tutorial on how to apply wraps here. I used his method to apply all my wraps. Thanks, Gus, this worked out great. With this said, let's get on with the build.

The first thing I did was print out the fuel tank wraps and apply them to the tubes. Next I glued them to the core tube.

jeffyjeep 03-23-2014 09:59 PM

What is your adhesive of choice for applying the tank wraps? Aleene's Super Tacky?

the mole 03-23-2014 10:21 PM

For this project I used Gus's method. I printed them out on Avery 8 1/2"x 11"s white shipping labels. Check out Gus's tutorial on how to apply wraps. I learned a lot from this thread.
http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=10456

the mole 03-24-2014 09:28 AM

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I printed out the aft body wrap and applied it to the aft body tube. I gave some time for the wrap to set up good on the tube, then I glued the aft tube to the fuel tanks. I made sure to align the black and white areas on the aft tube to the fuel tanks.

Ltvscout 03-24-2014 02:48 PM

Frank,

If you send me the PDF's like you did for the 1/70th I can put them online for you.

I made the 1/70th wrap thread a Sticky so people can always find it. I'll do the same for this thread once we get the wraps online.

Scott

the mole 03-24-2014 03:00 PM

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The fuel tank shroud is next. This is printed on 110 card stock. Let the ink dry, and spray all printed wraps with a protective coating like Krylon clear finish.

Cut the shroud out and glue the ends together. Once the glue has dried, slip the shroud over the top of the tanks and down to the aft tube.

Earl 03-24-2014 03:13 PM

Frank-

If modeling the same round as your 1/70th wraps, but doing it in /100 scale, what percent reduction would one print the 1/70th wraps to equate to the 1/100 scale?

In other words, I assume the 1/70th wraps could be 'repurposed' for 1/100th scale use by printing scale adjustments, correct?


Earl

the mole 03-24-2014 04:43 PM

Hi Earl,
You're right, you probably could reduce the 1/70 scale down around 70%. I was not satisfied with the results, though, because the images started to bleed into one another. In short, you could reduce the scale of the 1/70, but you will lose details.

the mole 03-24-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ltvscout
Frank,

If you send me the PDF's like you did for the 1/70th I can put them online for you.

I made the 1/70th wrap thread a Sticky so people can always find it. I'll do the same for this thread once we get the wraps online.

Scott

Thanks Scott,
I will send them to you when I get near the end of this thread.

Frank.

Earl 03-24-2014 04:59 PM

Ok, understand. So, the 1/100 scale wraps have specifically been optimized for that scale detail. Cool!

I'm looking at starting an Estes 1/70th kit and earlier had printed the SM wrap for that scale shortly after you posted them. Nice detail!

You have certainly done a ton of work on these even just for one scale, much less two different scales. And shared them with us for free...that is quite a gift for us all.

Much appreciated! :)


Earl

the mole 03-25-2014 09:37 AM

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Now the fins are made with a 1x 1/16 balsa wood strip. I covered the balsa strip with self adhesive paper and wrapped it over the edge of the strip.
I cut the fin covers out and placed them one at a time on either side of the strip.
The last thing to do was to cut the fin from the balsa sheet using a new sharp #11 blade.
The only painting I did on the fins was the bottom edge and the end of the fins.

the mole 03-25-2014 04:06 PM

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The fins are now ready to glue to the base of the aft tube. I used the fin guide to line up the fins straight on the aft tube.
I glued the fins in place, and then I reinforced the fins with a fillet glue bead on each side of the fins.

jharding58 03-25-2014 05:24 PM

You are a Godsend! Sign me up for the 1/100th scale as it saves me a truckload of masking. I build about six of these a year.

the mole 03-26-2014 12:22 PM

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With the first stage completed, it's time to move on to the second stage.
I cut out the SA-205 and SA-206 second stage wraps and applied them to the BT-80 tubes
I gave the wrap time to set up on the tubes, then I glued the second stage to the first stage of both rockets.

the mole 03-26-2014 05:57 PM

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I have the second stage glued to the first stage. Now comes what I call putting on the Saturn 1B jewelry.
I took the ullage motors, retrorockets and AMPs from my ESTES 1/100 scale Saturn V and made molds from them.
I made these parts from the molds and glued them on using superglue.
I made the antenna by gluing the printout to cereal box cardboard and cutting them out.
I glued the antenna to the fuel tanks. That pretty much takes care of the jewelry.
The project is almost finished now.

Earl 03-26-2014 06:18 PM

Lookin' good!

Earl

Earl 03-26-2014 06:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by the mole
The fuel tank shroud is next. This is printed on 110 card stock. Let the ink dry, and spray all printed wraps with a protective coating like Krylon clear finish.

Cut the shroud out and glue the ends together. Once the glue has dried, slip the shroud over the top of the tanks and down to the aft tube.


Did you 'freehand' your cut on the tank shroud? Such with scissors or xacto knife? The 'scallops' of your shroud look super-clean, almost like they were machine cut or cut with a die of some type.

I was doing some practice cutting on copies of the 1/70 tank shroud for the Estes kit, and with either scissors or hobby knife, it is hard to cut those curved scalloped areas cleanly.

What's your secret??

Earl

jharding58 03-26-2014 08:05 PM

A few years ago I was building so many of the 1/70 S-1b that I asked Carl to cut some of the shrouds for me, which he did. If you know of someone with a LC I am sure that they could oblige on the 1/100th size version. Better than going blind.

the mole 03-26-2014 08:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Earl
Did you 'freehand' your cut on the tank shroud? Such with scissors or xacto knife? The 'scallops' of your shroud look super-clean, almost like they were machine cut or cut with a die of some type.

I was doing some practice cutting on copies of the 1/70 tank shroud for the Estes kit, and with either scissors or hobby knife, it is hard to cut those curved scalloped areas cleanly.

What's your secret??

Earl


Hi Earl,
First off I have no secret to cutting the tank shroud. BUT what I do is first make a cut around the scallops about a 1/16 or 1/8 inch from the line of the scallops. After I have done this to all the scallops, I go back and start cutting the scallops out. This way it is easyer to cut on the line and less resistance on the scissors. Use a sharp pair of scissors. I buy a new pair just about every six month at the store. Use little scissors if you can find them. Another thing , where the black areas are on the scallops, take a black magic marker and color the edge of the paper or card stock. It makes the cut look cleaner.

Hope this helps you out next time.
Frank.

Earl 03-26-2014 09:45 PM

Well, it's great to know it's possible to cut those shrouds that clean with just a pair of scissors. Maybe the smaller set of scissors is the key. I use a sharp set for this type cutting, and the cuts don't look 'bad' per se, just not as 'machine cut' as yours do. For that shroud, clean cuts are key to a nice matchup with the tank tubes.

It is easy to get small variations when using scissors free hand as compared to say using an xacto and a straight edge. But obviously one cannot use a straight edge for these scallops, but yours look almost like they had been cut with something other than just plain old scissors.

Thanks for the tip......I'll see how the smaller set works.

Earl

hcmbanjo 03-26-2014 10:02 PM

Frank,
Very nice work! The art is great and I'm following the build.
I've always liked the size of the Centuri 1/100 scale 1B.
Your printed version is now on my gotta' build list.
A two engine cluster should suit it fine.

the mole 03-27-2014 09:02 AM

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The last major part of the build is the Saturn 1B reduction wrap.
I printed the reduction wrap on 110 card stock, and let the ink dry, then sprayed a clear coat to protect it.
I cut the reduction wrap out and formed it into a cone shape. When I was satisfied with the reduction shape I glued the connection tab in place on the inside of the reduction wrap seam. I gave the glue tab time to set up. With the glue tab dry, I placed some more glue on the exposed tab and butted the reduction ends together.
I pressed the seam, and let the glue dry.

I printed the service module, cut and applied it to the top of the service module body tube.
I took the reduction wrap and slipped it over the top of the tube and down to the bottom of the tube coupler.
When I was pleased with the fit of the reduction wrap, I glued it to the bottom of the coupler.

the mole 03-27-2014 06:05 PM

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This completes all my Saturn 1B wraps. I found that at the end I had to do very little painting. What painting I did do, I was able to do with a paint brush or magic marker.
This project took me about a week to complete. The nice thing about the wraps is, if you mess up, you just print a new wrap and start over again. I will send the wrap file to Scott, and he will post them here shortly for your personal use.
Thanks for all your support, and I hope that you have as much fun as I did.
Frank

The pictures below are of the completed 1/100th scale Saturn 1B.

Ltvscout 03-30-2014 12:40 PM

Here are the links to Frank's awesome 1/100th wraps. Thanks for offering them to us, Frank!

http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa...be_Wrap_100.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa...-205_100_aa.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa...-205_100_bb.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa...k_Shroud_96.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa...ud_100a0001.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa...n_Guide0001.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa..._Fins_100_a.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa...tage_100_ab.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa...206-100_abc.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa..._Module_100.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa...-206_100_cc.pdf
http://www.rocketshoppe.com/info/sa...-206_100_dd.pdf

SEL 04-19-2014 12:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by the mole
For this project I used Gus's method. I printed them out on Avery 8 1/2"x 11"s white shipping labels. Check out Gus's tutorial on how to apply wraps. I learned a lot from this thread.
http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=10456



Great thread Mr. Mole, and many thanks for making the wraps available.
Question: What setting (paper type) do you use on your printer for the Avery labels?


S.

the mole 04-19-2014 03:47 PM

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I use Avery 8.5 X 11 in. inkjet shipping labels, such as #48165. From my HP print screen, I select Actual size. Then go to Properties and choose Presentation Printing in first column and Best for print quality in second column. I have attached screen capture images that may help clarify.

Jerry Irvine 04-19-2014 04:01 PM

What the world needs is a series of 1/50 Saturns.

Jerry

mikeyd 04-19-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Irvine
What the world needs is a series of 1/50 Saturns.

Jerry

Are't the 1/48th still available?

http://www.redarrowhobbies.com/sheris_hot_rockets.htm

the mole 04-19-2014 04:52 PM

OK, 1/50 or 1/48 sounds good. I could work on those wraps next winter.
Anyone got the tube sizes, and where to get them? :chuckle:

MarkB. 04-20-2014 09:26 AM

The wraps are a neat idea, but I'd make a pitch for 1/64 scale Saturns.

Why? Well, its a convenient scale for other manned launchers and there's something to be said for a uniform scale presentation. R-7 (BT-55 core) and Shenzhou (ST-20) are easy 24mm-powered in this scale. A Space X Falcon would be BT-70H. Titan and Atlas are ST-18 and Redstone is ST-10.

A Saturn 1b would be ST-10 tubes around an ST-16 core with a BT-101 S-IVb.

Admittedly, a Saturn V is a monstrous 6.185" in diameter at this scale . I'm not a High-Power guy but it would seem doable at this size.

And if you really wanted to go nuts, I seem to recall the old Guillow's Space Shuttle was approximately 1/64 scale but I haven't dug mine out to check.

So what do you think?

DeanHFox 04-20-2014 10:38 AM

1/64 Saturn is already available
 
David Miller at Sirius makes a 1:64 scale Saturn V (it's quite a beauty!):

http://siriusrocketry.com/Saturn51.htm

Thanks for the scale tube sizes for the other launchers --- now I can build a fleet to match the Saturn V. :)

the mole 04-20-2014 11:08 AM

MarkB, Do you have a list of all the sizes needed to make up a Saturn 1B? I would be interested in knowing all the tube sizes. I can't find a ST-16 tubes. Help on this one.

GuyNoir 04-20-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkB.
And if you really wanted to go nuts, I seem to recall the old Guillow's Space Shuttle was approximately 1/64 scale but I haven't dug mine out to check.


My box says 1/77th. Kinda weird, liked they scaled it to fit the boxes their other kits came in or something. . .

MarkB. 04-20-2014 01:24 PM

Mole,

The tubes in the ST series are from Semroc and correspond to the Centuri tube designations. Last time I checked, ST-10 , ST -16, ST-18 and ST-20 are still available from that company as is a Soyuz nose cone. Totally Tubular sold most of these size tubes as well but I've lost track of that company.

I've built Vostok, Soyuz and Shenzhou in this scale. I was going to pester Sandman for Voskhod and Dragon nose cones later this spring. I have just started doing the math on a Saturn 1B (and possibly a Dyna-Soar Saturn 1) and I know those are the tubes but I haven't worked out the lengths yet. The tricky one is the Apollo Service module with a 2.4 inch 1/64th diameter.

I forgot about the Sirius Saturn V. I wonder if he'd sell just the S-IVb and the spacecraft section, then all you'd need would be the booster which should be relatively easy. He makes good stuff, I use his replacement Apollo Capsule on my Centuri 1/100 scale Apollo rockets.

Let me work on it a bit . . . .

the mole 04-20-2014 01:46 PM

MarkB, Thanks for the info. Would be interested when you get all the Saturn 1B tube size worked out for there lengths.

Totally Tubular is at eRockets. http://www.erockets.biz/brands/Tota...l?sort=featured

MarkB. 05-01-2014 11:07 PM

I was noticing George Gassaway's Saturn 1B drawings are 1/66 scale and they have all the dimensions written on them.

http://georgesrockets.com/AOL/GCGas...urn_IB_drwg.GIF

I think George comes to this site every once in while. His scale is based on the S-IVB stage being BT-101 at 3.939". At this size, the difference between 1/64 and 1/66 scale is a matter of thousandths; at 1/64 scale, the S-IVB would be 4.0625".

Or, take the 70" tanks; at 1/66 they're 1.06" and at 1/64 they're 1.09". An ST-10 tube is 1.04"

Unless you're building up the tubes, it looks like 1/66 scale is best for the Saturn and close enough to stand next to a 1/64 Soyuz or Shenzhou.

Rich Holmes 05-02-2014 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkB.
Totally Tubular sold most of these size tubes as well but I've lost track of that company.

http://www.erockets.biz/body-tubes/?sort=featured

Earl 05-02-2014 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Holmes


Wondering if anyone knows whether Semroc and the Totally Tubular tubes are sourced from the same manufacturer? As I understand, there are only a couple or so manufacturers of these type tubes in the country.

Earl

scott_mills 12-15-2014 09:15 PM

I just wanted to thank you MOLE very much for these wraps. They look completely awesome, I used the lem shroud and service module wraps for both my 2157 s5 and my 2048 s1b . I absolutely love them, and again I just wanted to thank you for all the work you did.

the mole 12-15-2014 10:16 PM

Scott_mills, No thanks is needed. I thank you for your kind words. Glad they worked out well for you. I wish ESTES would release the 1/100 Saturn 1B again . I'll keep my fingers crossed for that to happen.


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