Ye Olde Rocket Forum

Go Back   Ye Olde Rocket Forum > Work Bench > Building Techniques
User Name
Password
Auctions Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts Search Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-23-2019, 03:59 PM
chrism chrism is offline
Master Modeler
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1,266
Default Laser printed decals that print white.

In the olden days, people could print white by using ALPS printers. Sandman used these and by reading his posts about not being able to get a replacement for his printer. I have notice that Micro Mark is selling a laser printer that comes with white toner. See here:

https://www.micromark.com/Ghost-Whi...-Printer-Bundle

However, the white toner is $350. Almost the same price as the printer itself. My question, is the cost worth it just to print white? I know that there is white decal paper, so one could have white areas on their decals if needed.

Also to Sandman: Would you consider one of these printers if you don't already have one?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-23-2019, 04:40 PM
LeeR's Avatar
LeeR LeeR is offline
Retired with Way Too Many Kits
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,101
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrism
[...]
My question, is the cost worth it just to print white? I know that there is white decal paper, so one could have white areas on their decals if needed.

[...]


The biggest problem I see is getting all-white decals. Like the text “US ARMY”. You would have no way to separate your text from the background white color of the decal.

For something simple, like stripes, you could cut the stripe and then apply it like a typical water slide decal.

If text is not too small, vinyl cut text decals are great. The surrounding vinyl is “picked”, leaving just the text on the transfer sheet.

Here is a BT-60 rocket that has slightly upscaled Bandit decals. The text is crisp and was easy to apply. Some is black, some is white.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:  438823D4-84F6-436C-8D50-BB798F79EC7B.jpeg
Views: 22
Size:  1.89 MB  Click image for larger version

Name:  C0C6A0E7-4EAC-4D8B-90A9-A7BF9DA92A93.jpeg
Views: 22
Size:  1.49 MB  
__________________
Lee Reep
NAR 55948, L2

Projects: Super Sky Hook, Estes Saturn V, Astron Farside-X
Stuck In the Paint Shop: Estes Saturn 1B
Completed!: Painted Prowler! (ditched the pink tube wrap ...)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-23-2019, 05:03 PM
chrism chrism is offline
Master Modeler
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1,266
Default

Lee, in cases like printing black or some other color you could then print on decal paper that is clear so that you would not see the carrier film between the letters for example. But to print white would be nice if making USA Bars & Star insignia fro example for military rockets.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-23-2019, 11:37 PM
DavidQ DavidQ is offline
Craftsman
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Washougal Washington
Posts: 225
Default

I researched this further, and found that Ghost White toner is made for many printers. https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/g...r-your-printer/

For my printer, a cartridge lists for $143 from the vendor. Just put it in place of the black. My black typically costs me about $70 each, so this is like the cost of two black cartridges.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-24-2019, 12:20 AM
LeeR's Avatar
LeeR LeeR is offline
Retired with Way Too Many Kits
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,101
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrism
Lee, in cases like printing black or some other color you could then print on decal paper that is clear so that you would not see the carrier film between the letters for example. But to print white would be nice if making USA Bars & Star insignia fro example for military rockets.


Chris, I probably misunderstood your original question to sandman. Printing white would be nice, for decals like the example you cited. I was just talking about pure white text, and the fact that is not being possible on white decal paper.

I included my picture just to show how well white vinyl works for lettering. My picture of the entire rocket does show white text in vinyl. I just happened to have a picture of the black text that I included, to show the excellent detail of cut vinyl letters.
__________________
Lee Reep
NAR 55948, L2

Projects: Super Sky Hook, Estes Saturn V, Astron Farside-X
Stuck In the Paint Shop: Estes Saturn 1B
Completed!: Painted Prowler! (ditched the pink tube wrap ...)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-24-2019, 12:37 AM
Gus's Avatar
Gus Gus is offline
7/21/61
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: North of Detroit
Posts: 1,844
Default

Micromark offers clear on blue background decal paper which can be used in the laser printer mentioned. Gordy looked at this but the problem is that for much of what he prints he first prints a white underlayer so the colored decal sits on top of a white underlayer. With the MicroMark printer you put the white toner cartridge in, print the white, then replace the white cartridge with the color cartridge, re-insert the paper, and print again. The printer does not hold onto the paper so it stays in register. Which means the likliehood the reinserted paper will be perfectly lined up is small. Yes, it's nice that there is now white toner if you want to do pure white decals on a laser printer. But it's not really a good replacement for ALPs printers.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-24-2019, 08:26 AM
chrism chrism is offline
Master Modeler
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1,266
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidQ
I researched this further, and found that Ghost White toner is made for many printers. https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/g...r-your-printer/

For my printer, a cartridge lists for $143 from the vendor. Just put it in place of the black. My black typically costs me about $70 each, so this is like the cost of two black cartridges.



That's good to know David. I felt that the toner cartridge for the HP printer that Micro Mark is selling was very expensive. So, have you printed your own decals?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-24-2019, 08:29 AM
chrism chrism is offline
Master Modeler
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1,266
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeR
Chris, I probably misunderstood your original question to sandman. Printing white would be nice, for decals like the example you cited. I was just talking about pure white text, and the fact that is not being possible on white decal paper.

I included my picture just to show how well white vinyl works for lettering. My picture of the entire rocket does show white text in vinyl. I just happened to have a picture of the black text that I included, to show the excellent detail of cut vinyl letters.



You are right, printing white on white would not work. I was talking about printing white on clear decal paper.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-24-2019, 10:07 AM
jeffyjeep's Avatar
jeffyjeep jeffyjeep is offline
Old Submariner
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Home of Wayne & Garth
Posts: 5,993
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrism
In the olden days, people could print white by using ALPS printers. Sandman used these and by reading his posts about not being able to get a replacement for his printer. I have notice that Micro Mark is selling a laser printer that comes with white toner. See here:

https://www.micromark.com/Ghost-Whi...-Printer-Bundle

However, the white toner is $350. Almost the same price as the printer itself. My question, is the cost worth it just to print white? I know that there is white decal paper, so one could have white areas on their decals if needed.

Also to Sandman: Would you consider one of these printers if you don't already have one?


Hmmm.
__________________
-Just in case you ever wondered, Yoda’s last name was LayHeeHoo.

-Don't mistake politeness for weakness.


NAR# 94042
SAM# 0078
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-24-2019, 10:33 AM
chrism chrism is offline
Master Modeler
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1,266
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gus
Micromark offers clear on blue background decal paper which can be used in the laser printer mentioned. Gordy looked at this but the problem is that for much of what he prints he first prints a white underlayer so the colored decal sits on top of a white underlayer. With the MicroMark printer you put the white toner cartridge in, print the white, then replace the white cartridge with the color cartridge, re-insert the paper, and print again. The printer does not hold onto the paper so it stays in register. Which means the likliehood the reinserted paper will be perfectly lined up is small. Yes, it's nice that there is now white toner if you want to do pure white decals on a laser printer. But it's not really a good replacement for ALPs printers.


Thanks Gus for the information. I really have not looked into this. I was really wondering if it is cost effective or make printing decals more trouble than it is worth.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:38 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ye Olde Rocket Shoppe © 1998-2019