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Old 09-27-2010, 04:48 PM
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Default A newer, kinder, not so gentler Elmer's?

Has anyone found that the Elmer's Glue-All seems to have changed a little? I usually purchase the 12 oz bottle and then decant into a smaller 1.25 for use. It seems to be a little thinner than usual. This is Glue-All and not School Glue. Application is more tedious because it is a little more runny, but the main issue is that the contraction seems to be higher. It is causing the body tube to waist in at bulkheads and centering rings. Anyone else seeing this?
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Old 09-27-2010, 06:24 PM
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yeah,just had the same issue with Elmers on my last two builds,an Estes Der Red Max,and a Quest Full Moon.Was a brand new bottle,think i may switch back to the yellow for my next build.And i agree it was a lot runnier,the fin fillets ran and took forever to dry.I don't recall having this problem before.
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Old 09-27-2010, 06:33 PM
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After a little more sleuthing (looking at the two bottles) it seems that the part number has changed from E379 to E379NR - "New Recipe"?
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I have not used Elmer's brand glues in a long time. I have had good success using Gorilla Glue brand white wood glue. It's white and dries clear and has good tack to it and has a strong bond. It also sands easily when dry.
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maybe the NR stands for Not Right
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You could always open the bottle and let it stand for a while to thicken up. If you do, you should probably shake it every so often so it doesn't completely harden on top. Or you could get some Ailene's Tacky Glue and thin it down just a smidge.
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That is good to know.

I build with yellow glue and switch to Elmers for subsequent layers of fin fillets due to its lower shrinkage when drying. That process will have to be modified.

Any idea when this switch took place? More to the point, what are the odds of finding "classic" Elmers at the store? Go to lower traffic outlets instead of big boxes?


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Old 09-27-2010, 10:48 PM
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I have two 4 ounce bottles of Elmers at my desk at work. One is noticeably thinner than the other (though I've not noted the shrinkage issue - yet). It also is marked "made in USA" where the thicker one is "made in China".

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..............

I've taken to following the recommendation made here to use Titebond Molding and Trim glue for fillets. Works nicely.
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maybe the NR stands for Not Right

It stands for "Nastily Runny".
But seriously, the ONLY Elmer's white glue I still use is from an old, USA made bottle. I don't use it often--preferring Tite Bond carpenter's glue.
The China-made Elmer's is indeed thinner.
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I've used Elmer's "Pro Bond" yellow before, and find it just slightly thinner than Titebond II. It doesn't have the same 'tack', either. Haven't seen this new formulation yet, but I may try it out.

Titebond III is another thinner formulation, with a brown tint instead of yellow. It's also not as 'tacky' as the II.

I just keep coming back to II after trying different glues. Nothing seems to work quite as well, most joints are dry to the touch and relatively firm in about 20 minutes, and I don't have a big issue with the shrinkage -- nothing a little FNF, or just a few extra coats of Kilz, can't fill and cover.
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