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Old 09-10-2020, 03:50 PM
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Haven't gone through the whole thread to see if it was mentioned, but I noticed an item in the August 1971 Model Rocketry magazine (p. 13) where they mentioned that the original Bandit was designed by Mark Kellner (only the Goblin is credited to him in the OP)
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Old 09-11-2020, 01:08 PM
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I've just read all 13 years and 20 pages of this thread and enjoyed it.

I kind of feel that Estes was lucky to have Kellner and Doerffler back in the good ol' days. One was an art guy that could do gearhead stuff and one was a gearhead that could do art stuff.
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Old 09-17-2020, 04:50 PM
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Haven't gone through the whole thread to see if it was mentioned, but I noticed an item in the August 1971 Model Rocketry magazine (p. 13) where they mentioned that the original Bandit was designed by Mark Kellner (only the Goblin is credited to him in the OP)
. TRUE. Because this is what I do,,, heres documentation on the kit......
Still, in re looking at the Goblin, he is given no credit. As you see, just the Estes R & D Staff. Guess he got shorted ?!
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Old 09-18-2020, 04:33 PM
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The Launch magazine interview with Bill Simon has a list of models attributed to Estes designers, 1961 - 1980, compiled by Wayne Kellner.

In that list, Wayne gets the Goblin. Mark gets Teros and Marauder. The Bandit is missing from this list.

Bill says he left Estes in 1977 due to family reasons.

Reelin' in the years.

http://vernestes.com/images/LAUNCH%...-Correccted.pdf

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Boy I completely forgot about those Early ones that were started by Dorffler, then finished by me. This should be everything else designed by someone other then me up to actually this point and time. In addition to the kits I've also done the two new launch controllers and all the new plastic accessories, including the E2X plastic stuff, plus lots of other small things here and there. I've also done all the bring backs which in most cases are more work for me to do then starting from scratch.


Air Commander- Mike Dorffler
Laser Lance- Mike Dorffler
Vagabond- Mike Dorfller
Hyper Bat- Mike Dorffler


Rouge Voyager - Mike Zaborowski-Hobbico
Astron Sprint XL- Mike Zaborowski-Hobbico
Astron II Launch Pad- Mike Zaborowski-Hobbico

MERV- Jason ?


John Boren


This is John Boren Saying he designed everything (note that marketing sometimes does decor) except what is in this post, in the Hobbico Era from 2010 to when the Langford's bought Estes in April 2018. I assume he is still there but don't know if he is designing everything now.

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Old 10-02-2020, 02:09 PM
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This is John Boren Saying he designed everything (note that marketing sometimes does decor) except what is in this post, in the Hobbico Era from 2010 to when the Langford's bought Estes in April 2018. I assume he is still there but don't know if he is designing everything now.


Yes, he's still there, and I haven't seen anything on Indeed.com that indicates they've hired anyone specifically to design kits. Bill Stine, of course, has the experience to do that so he may have more direct input to some kits now. They did hire the guy who did the Saturn V painting (poster, catalog cover, 1/200th package) to come up with new design concepts
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Here's a new tidbit. In a discussion on Facebook where JimZ notes a discrepancy in the instructions of two versions of Alien Invader (dihedral in original version, none in later version), John Boren says Mike Dorffler "probably" designed the original, and definitely did the work on the later bring-back.
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Here's a new tidbit. In a discussion on Facebook where JimZ notes a discrepancy in the instructions of two versions of Alien Invader (dihedral in original version, none in later version), John Boren says Mike Dorffler "probably" designed the original, and definitely did the work on the later bring-back.



Just to be clear, I think you're talking about the Invader, not the Alien Invader.
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Just to be clear, I think you're talking about the Invader, not the Alien Invader.


Definitely the Alien Invader. #1281 and #3003
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Definitely the Alien Invader. #1281 and #3003


The Invader was before Dorffler’s time and has never been “bring back”
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