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Old 09-22-2020, 08:35 PM
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Here is a photo of the JSC SLA. One can see one main separation line in this photo, and the hinge points, but those other panel lines are much more faint. Get much further away than this photo and they almost disappear.

Link: http://heroicrelics.org/space-ctr/c...c49209.jpg.html


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Unfortunately I didn't take any photos of the LM transition when I was up close an personal with the Saturn V's in KSC and Houston, but the detail I saw in person didn't seem out of bed with what I see on the Apogee, Sirius, and my 3d printed transitions.
Those features look fairly pronounced to me:


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Here is a photo of the JSC SLA. One can see one main separation line in this photo, and the hinge points, but those other panel lines are much more faint. Get much further away than this photo and they almost disappear.

Link: http://heroicrelics.org/space-ctr/c...c49209.jpg.html


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Earl, I don't think the LM transition at JSC is real hardware - it's a mock up.
I have that info but it'll take me a while to look it up.
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Old 09-22-2020, 10:11 PM
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Earl, I don't think the LM transition at JSC is real hardware - it's a mock up.
I have that info but it'll take me a while to look it up.


I think it is real hardware to the best of my knowledge. In any event, it is representative of all the SLAs that I have seen in person and the many photos of them that I have seen of actual flight vehicles.

I agree the detail is there, but my impression is that, at similar ‘scale’ distances, some of that more minor substructure detail has been ‘overdone’ or outsized for their respective scales.

But, that is my impression and it may not be shared by others. We can agree to disagree on the issue.

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The three Saturn V's on display are a real hodge-podge of flight hardware, boilerplate (accurate but not flight worthy), and mock-ups. You'd think that they would have kept the two surviving flight hardware Saturns together as a set - but it's not what happened. Plus, between Skylab and the Apollo/Soyuz missions, most of the flight worth Apollo parts got used.
I have a book on the Saturn program that has a rundown of what ended up where, but I need to dig it out - and it may not break down to the LMA level...
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I agree the detail is there no doubt, it just does not ‘show’ as obvious (on the outside surface) of the SLA as they are showing it.

The ‘lines’ as they have them shown would probably scale out to about an inch wide and a quarter inch thick (or thicker) on a full-size SLA and those details are not that size on the ones I have seen on display at KSC, JSC, and Huntsville. One can see them from a relative close viewing, but any real distance away not near as much.

Now, the larger main panel vertical separation lines (four) ARE very visible, as well as the circumference separation line around near the base of the SLA and the panel hinges are VERY visible. But all those other details are overdone.

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To be fair, not just the SLA but ALL the stringers on all the parts are *way* over sized (except maybe the S1C skirt and intertank), but I much prefer that to the under sized and humidity-affected stringer details on the old paper wraps of the K36/2001 Saturn V and K29 Saturn IB.
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