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Old 02-12-2020, 12:04 AM
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Check out this thread on the other forum if you can.

https://www.rocketryforum.com/threa...ariance.157323/

Other than being a discussion of the Estes Doorknob's scaled features, the discussion turned to copyright infringement when "a certain individual who is notorious for posting material with a copyright on the forums" was called out by Peter Alway for posting his material on the forums without permission. This certain individual essentially republished Peter's work, with the forum's help.

I've complained on this forum about this individual's practice of copyright infringement, and as far as I can tell, YORF allows this individual to keep posting. The other forum does too. My opinion is that this practice must cease.
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I completely agree.

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This kind of thing would get one kicked out of my University.
It's linked to plagiarism. All he had to do was ask Peter.
A shame.

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Easy solution...Don't be so cheap! Buy Peter's book!

I have three copies of ROTW, 2 spiral bound and one hard cover.

I am getting sick of the, "What are you going to do about it." attitude that seems to be so pervasive lately.
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East solution...Don't be so cheap! Buy Peter's book!

That is not a solution to the problem. I have ROTW and the supplements. So what? How is that going to stop someone from posting copyrighted materials, or worse, the forum administrators allowing it?

The problem is some guy posting loads of rocketry stuff that everyone likes to see, but that some of it carries a copyright. There's the problem - we all like looking at the material and we acquiesce. We allow it. And this certain individual loves the attention, the thank-you's, and all the warm fuzzies we get when we look at nice scale data. But this practice has hurt one of our own - a highly respected member of our community. When Peter Alway publicly objected to this behavior I think a line has been crossed.

I've reported this behavior here and on the other forum. No action was taken. I would like to see the forum administrators stop allowing the practice, and even see this one individual censured should he continue posting. A cleanup is long overdue.
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There is so much copyrighted material already distributed on the internet it would be nearly impossible to "police".
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There is so much copyrighted material already distributed on the internet it would be nearly impossible to "police".

But not Alway's material. It has got to the point that he has no desire to publish any more material. It isn't because he wasn't "given credit". It's because hundreds of people that might buy his books and supplements now have no reason to do so. If you work hard every week researching and writing the material, then don't get paid for it you eventually get to the point where it makes no sense to work again. Crap...I just described socialism.
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But not Alway's material. It has got to the point that he has no desire to publish any more material. It isn't because he wasn't "given credit". It's because hundreds of people that might buy his books and supplements now have no reason to do so. If you work hard every week researching and writing the material, then don't get paid for it you eventually get to the point where it makes no sense to work again. Crap...I just described socialism.


I would have said 'vulture capitalism' - but neither description makes it right.

That's it's hard to police everywhere doesn't mean policing shouldn't be attempted when the opportunity arises.

That it's out of print is a publisher's choice - it doesn't relinquish the publisher's ownership, nor the author's rights (if they retained any).

I've benefited from some of the material. I've purchased duplicates. Whether I've retained private copies is up to me and my conscious.

Along with cloning rocket designs.
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I would have said 'vulture capitalism' - but neither description makes it right.

That's it's hard to police everywhere doesn't mean policing shouldn't be attempted when the opportunity arises.

That it's out of print is a publisher's choice - it doesn't relinquish the publisher's ownership, nor the author's rights (if they retained any).

I've benefited from some of the material. I've purchased duplicates. Whether I've retained private copies is up to me and my conscious.

Along with cloning rocket designs.

I think many of his supplements are still available even though the book is out of print. I know we can't police everywhere, but we should try to take care of our own. Peter's work is treasured by many of us. My son used my book so much when we were on our wild building spree that I bought him a newer edition of his own. I hope Peter gets inspired again in the future, and I sure hope his books become available again for the ones that have missed out on them.
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I've appreciated Peter's work, and purchased it.

But I'm going to flip the property right question around, and ask the good rocketeers of YORF - if sharing out of print Peter Alway pages is wrong, please explain how Ye Olde Rocket Plans is different.
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