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Old 06-28-2019, 08:52 AM
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Here's a question for you old timers. Does anyone know who first coined the term BAR (Born Again Rocketeer)? I'm sure it's from the old Usenet days.
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I first saw the term used in the Mar/Apr 1993 issue of American Spacemodeling, so the term has been around since the early 1990s, a couple of years before the internet became public. Yes, I believe that BAR originated on usenet.
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Wolf might know, here is his RMR FAQ Introduction (part 4) from 1997 that mentions it : http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/rmrfaq.4.html#q1
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I checked the r.m.r. archives, which only go back to around mid-1992. The terms, BAR and YABAR were in use then, but without the user going out of his way to inform the reader what they were.

Best guess so far - pre-1992.

Jack Hagerty included the term, BAR, in his "Glossary of Hobby Rocketry Terms" that he would post on rec.models.rockets. The earliest copy that I could find is dated April 1993. He mentions that the terms were compiled by himself, Buzz McDermott, and an anonymous user on the Compuserve Sport Rocketry Forum. His preamble suggests that they were compiling terms from over the whole hobby, so there is no direct evidence that the term originated from one of the electronic forums. I wouldn't rule out a NAR Section newsletter as a source.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!s...24/JmX9x3oY6O8J

Bruce - I don't know where the term came from. It was in common use back in 1994 or so when I became a BAR.
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There's an article written by Mark O'Brien titled, "The Born Again Rocketeer," in the October 1986 issue of American Spacemodeling.
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There's an article written by Mark O'Brien titled, "The Born Again Rocketeer," in the October 1986 issue of American Spacemodeling.

I was going to mention that I recall reading it somewhere in print in the 80's but I had no idea what the publication was. That would explain it. The early to mid 80's timing is about right for all the teens of the space race to have gone off to college, got married, have kids, and get back into the hobby when their kids got old enough.

I also recall driving down to Huntsville and flying with HARA a few times in the early 90's where some of the guys at the launches mentioned they were BARs. That was the first time I heard it in conversation.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned up in an early to mid 70's publication. The modelers that were around for the first wave of commercial model rocketry (MMI and early Estes) would have been about the right age to become BARs. There were a lot of club newsletters being published back then to write about it.
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Here's a question for you old timers. Does anyone know who first coined the term BAR (Born Again Rocketeer)? I'm sure it's from the old Usenet days.

I was under the impression that it goes all the way back to Jesus, circa 31 A.D. A slightly redacted version of the term is mentioned in passages such as John 3:7.
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I was under the impression that it goes all the way back to Jesus, circa 31 A.D. A slightly redacted version of the term is mentioned in passages such as John 3:7.
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I was under the impression that it goes all the way back to Jesus, circa 31 A.D. A slightly redacted version of the term is mentioned in passages such as John 3:7.

Slightly redacted cause the Romans didn't like rocketeers?
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