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Old 04-29-2021, 09:58 AM
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I see these "pressure motors" as being very passe' and a poor substitute for real rocket power that BURNS fuel.
They were obsolete when first introduced.
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Old 04-29-2021, 10:00 AM
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My uncle had one of the early Vashon rockets.

I never got to see it fly but remember handling the empty motor and studying the pressure-leak parachute release clip.

Does anybody know the working pressure of the motor tank?

Air tanks are manufactured for model aircraft retractable landing gear systems; they are rated for up to around 150 psi. Maybe these can be adapted for new flight hardware though it may not have a high enough discharge rate.

Soft drink bottles have also been utilized as air reservoirs for retracts. I do not know whether common FDM 3D printed parts have the strength and lack of leaks to make fittings to use such a bottle, but parts SLA printed in resin may do.

NAR at one point had considered a water rocket safety code. If enough of us get organized, perhaps we can get an experimental cold power program going?


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Bill the NAR did have a Cold Propellant Model Rocket code for several years while vashon and then Estes/Vashon motors were available.

What's funny is when the Vashon motors 1st came out, the NAR immediately banned them because of the metal motor material. So Vashon tested/demoed their motors before the FAA
and the FAA said, no problems here, and shortly thereafter the NAR did a complete 180 and embraced the cold propellant motors with Safety Code:

http://modelrocketbuilding.blogspot...afety-code.html

The one I had as a 13-14 yr old was pre-Estes....I had great difficulty getting the electrical ignition system to work. So I usually just pulled the pin while the model set on the launch pad. I would also pull the pin holding the motor in my hand......so to me it was just a play toy......

when pressurized it grabbed the parachute tube pretty tightly. the pressure expanded those spring clips outward and they grabbed pretty good.

Charles Green, one of the 2 founders died in 2009. Alan Forsythe, his partner is still kicking at 85+.

EDIT removed poor pdf and replaced with much better photos

https://airandspace.si.edu/collecti...sm_A19930631000

https://airandspace.si.edu/collecti...sm_A19930655000
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Old 04-29-2021, 10:45 AM
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The motor for the "Land Rocket" cars was ALL aluminum, including the Nozzle. It also looks to be 3/4" +/- in diameter.

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Old 04-29-2021, 10:55 AM
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Interesting that this turned up on eBay this morning.

Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/3039788944...AAOSwyJxgirt w

If you have some old birds one might could get them back in the air.

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Old 04-29-2021, 11:01 AM
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Interesting that this turned up on eBay this morning.

Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/3039788944...AAOSwyJxgirt w

If you have some old birds one might could get them back in the air.

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Grab it, before someone "rats it out" that it's R-12 Freon !

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Old 04-29-2021, 11:10 AM
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Grab it, before someone "rats it out" that it's R-12 Freon !

Dave F.


Oh, one can get R-22 freon in 5, 10, and 20 pound cans on eBay right now.

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Old 04-29-2021, 01:45 PM
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But NOT R-12....
One more idiotic ban by the mamby-pambys.
This ban was not nearly as bad as EPA Administrator Ruckelhaus banning DDT in 1972 against the advice of the entire EPA scientific panel. DDT was banned by alarmist BUNK/BOGUS science.
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But NOT R-12....
One more idiotic ban by the mamby-pambys.
This ban was not nearly as bad as EPA Administrator Ruckelhaus banning DDT in 1972 against the advice of the entire EPA scientific panel. DDT was banned by alarmist BUNK/BOGUS science.


Actually, eBay IS selling R-12 ( I was surprised ) !

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...ltering&_sop=16

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Old 04-29-2021, 02:48 PM
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All at RIPOFF prices too.
More EPA nonsense. When the little cans got banned, the price per pound tripled.
I'd rather ban the EPA.
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I see these "pressure motors" as being very passe' and a poor substitute for real rocket power that BURNS fuel.
They were obsolete when first introduced.
NASA and other space agencies don't think so--cold-gas thrusters (usually using nitrogen, although JAXA has flown a combination xenon ion drive/xenon cold gas thruster system fed from the same tank, and the MESSENGER Mercury orbiter used its helium pressurant in its thrusters after the propellant was all burned) work just fine, especially in a vacuum. The spacecraft need not be small and lightweight, either; Skylab used nitrogen thrusters, and so do the reusable Falcon 1 first stages. ALSO:

In Alaska (and many other states), "Red Flag" days--when hot, dry conditions make flying regular model rockets an exercise in madness (and illegal, too, on such days)--are common. (Even G. Harry Stine's model rocket club once accidentally burnt an 11-acre grass field, when a glowing igniter fragment landed in the dry grass, and within seconds the wind whipped up a fire so large that they had to call the fire department!) Cold Propellant and Coldpower rockets not only *aren't* a fire hazard, but they can even, in a pinch, be used as fire extinguishers (if, say, someone nearby dropped a still-hot cigarette butt).
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