Correction: E15's are $20.99 per 3-pak on the Value Rockets website...they jacked the price of E30's to $59.99 to match the new Estes pricing...what a JOKE and a freakin' RIPOFF and I know darned well it is just to not undercut the ******* new Estes pricing.

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WOW! Thanks for the info! Does this mean that if you buy 12 or more engines they will actually pay you to take them off their hands??

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I was skeptical of this claim because a known rabble-rouser uttered it. Hi GH. So I went to valuerockets.com and selected the E30 and E15 and did screen shots to see the comparative pricing.





It turns out the rabble-rouser is 100% correct that Errortech charges $59.99 for the E30 and $20.99 for the nearly identical E15.

Lest I be lashed for saying error, I attach HARD PROOF Aerotech is in fact in error.

Just Factually Citing Jerry

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I might be off base here, but are these rebrandeed engines made to Estes requested specs?

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They are motors of 100% Aerotech engineering and production and sold relabeled as Estes. AT has sold motors relabeled in the past as U.S. Rockets (80's), Public Missiles (90's), and several others. I do not recall them ever selling reloads as relabeled, only SU.

These motors have several interesting engineering advances. They use an engineered plastic case that integrates the nozzle, a thrust ring, a specialized closure method using a thread, and a method to use less glue as the wet seal. The bulkhead integrates an ejection cap retainer. All these features lower the labor per unit to assemble them. It is a really slick system engineered largely by Dan Meyer and Gary Rosenfield.

The NCR/Estes F62 had an equally slick casing designed largely by Scott Dixon, but because of the fight between Matt Steele and Barry Tunik, as well as slack sales, that spectacular system was removed from market and likely will not be seen again, and even if it is the pricing is likely to be similarly high as the AT/Estes system.

Had the USR branded motors which were certified simply been renewed rather than arbitrarily banned in 1991-2 we would still see them on the market today. I point out USR even had a NOZZLELESS CERTIFIED rocket motor.

Historical link for the uninformed: link

Pricing discussion aside these are spectacularly great motors and it will literally be a new era to have them widely available through all channels Estes currently serves. THE PRICING IS NECESSARY BECAUSE ESTES SELLS TO THEIR CUSTOMERS AT 65% OFF RETAIL. In case you didn't know that. 59.99/3*0.35=$7.00 per motor net net.

Jerry

Dozens of styles of old SU motors at the ready upon renewal cert per the rules, or any new submission USR ever chooses to undertake.

It's just amazing what you don't know, Jerry.

Your statements abut the NCR F62 and the reasons for their discontinuation are incorrect.

Matt

If Estes' composite F motors are indeed $29 apiece, the only way I *might* buy -one- of the motors would be as a collector's item--because at that price, I think they would soon become collectible...

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Feel free to correct the record from what was made public by one side of the argument. Until corrected, that is what stands, however. So far your position seems to be, that's wrong, but no comment.

I do know this. The F62 had the exact same internal grain geometry in 1999 as the USR F40 did in 1984 and before. Coincidence? With NCR established disassembling so many USR products? Hmmmmm.

Jerry

Normal list price is on line.

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/est/est9774.htm

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/est/est9772.htm

etc.

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