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I totally agree. Why do we have to be so detailed about the instructions? If anyone have ever built a Launch Pad mid power kit you know that the instruction are only 2-3 pages, in a very simple format, with a small detailed drawing and thats all. I can see a kit like the Satun 1B needing alot more but not many other designs. Besides if a design gets too complicated no one will built it, so it should be changed to simplify the building process for the builder. What I was really hoping for here at SVDT was a pool of clip art and text to draw from so that all designers could more effiecently create thier own instruction. Also the big one is the expert advice and review that comes form all the team members. My 2 cents: James Pierson NAR# 77907 |
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Nah, I'll give it a try. Complicated instructions just make the finished product that much more of a source of pride. Plus, when I finish a kit whose instructions are known to be complicated, EVERYONE knows they can do it. "Arf, arf, arf. That's my other dog impression."
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I love that idea. Wish it was that simple. Had a good laugh to start my day. Thank you James. Sheryl |
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The instructions need to be detailed enough that someone who has never built a rocket can use them. Sure, some of us who have been building for years don't even use the instructions (was Bill mentioned ). But the producer has to also target the novice. And the Semroc instructions aren't just instructions, they're a history lesson. So, I don't think changing the format is a solution but maybe changing how it's all brought together. Maybe some generic instructions (as James stated) that apply to most rockets that can be cut and pasted into the instructions (the same with generic drawings). Then, perhaps, those who wish a particular kit to be manufactured, obtain the software (or one that can be imported into what ever Carl is using) and start writing. That opens the writing staff from maybe one (I don't know who writes the instructions for Carl) to potentially hundreds. Of course, a format would need to be developed for everyone to use so all the instructions follow a basic one. And a list of who's writing what so there isn't a duplication of effort (also allows some collaboration among members). And of course, coordination with Carl to make sure there are or are existing parts for the kit. Heck, it may not be even finacially viable to kit a model with instructions. I guess the bottom line is simply if the instructions are the biggest hurdle to producing a kit, then we are a resource that can be used to get them written. Just give us the generic stuff, a format, and a way to coordinate the work and I believe the members of this forum can make it happen.
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"And now, for something completely different..."
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Perhaps a quicker way to get these out would be to do "cc" (Carbon Copy) versions where the parts are already kitted up, and all you have to do is download the instructions from, say, JimZ or Ye Olde Rocket Plans (YORP). That's probably the easiest way to do it, and frankly, the only "around the bush" alternative to having to Start From Zero. As far as my earlier comments are concerned, they weren't intended as negative, but realistic. (I'm a TV reporter. I can spot "negative" in *real* short order. ) Heck, I'm your Positive Spin Guy. Cheers,
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Jay Goemmer "Centuri Guy"/"Tau Zero" YORF Member 28 Semroc SAM #0029 NAR 86131 "I think about organizing things all the time. Never seems to happen. I find something that piques my interest and I'm off on a quest. Or a Centuri. " --Bill Eichelberger, 02/22/2022 “Centuri fret buzz in an updated form.” Bill “Wallyum” Eichelberger re: Estes Flutter-By 03 Sept 2014 |
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Centuri Guy Understand thanks. I have been thinking along similar lines only keep the instructions in house under a password or the like so the buyer of a kits can go to Semroc and download the kit instructions. I think you need to maintain some control over who can and who can't download the instructions. Atleast until the kit goes OOP . Then JimZ or YORP would have a file PDF etc. . But you still have to create the first set of instructions. BAR John |
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Madcow does just the opposite. You can go and download the kit instructions before you ever make a purchase. Seems to me that having the ability to go over the instructions would help a prospective buyer decide if the kit was in their skill range or over their head.
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Bill Eichelberger NAR 79563 http://wallyum.blogspot.com/ I miss being SAM 0058 Build floor: Centuri Design Contest F-150 Hurricane Estes - Low Boom SST Semroc - Gee'Hod, Shrike, SST Shuttle In paint: Canaroc Starfighter Scorpion Estes F-22 Air Superiority Fighter, Solar Sailer II Semroc Cyber III Ready to fly: Estes - Multi-Roc, Solar Sailer II Semroc - Earmark, Snake Jumper |
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Yes and YES!!! An SLS Excalibur! Details, please. It will use an ST-20 with laser cut fin slots for the lower body tube (hint, hint)? Bob "Just building ANOTHER Nike Ram clone" Sanford |
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The final edit of instructions may be a good place for using the talent in this group. After I am through with each set of instructions, Bruce and Sheryl go over them, building a model from them and checking for "continuity." Problems at this point are things like a drawing that shows a launch lug, many steps before it is glued on. Tom Beach found the missing step on the Mars Lander where the bottom of the launch lug was cut off. That required going back through many pictures to remove the extra 1 inch of launch lug that was not supposed to be there. It also changed the cover art, which showed the protruding launch lug! Extra eyes and grey matter is always welcome and appreciated.
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