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Old 03-02-2020, 06:03 PM
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I am also concerned about the Estes E motorCATOS
I would rather not ha this as a throwaway rocket


I flew mine once only, on an Estes E12-4....

https://youtu.be/SoUyEM4hwL8

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Old 03-02-2020, 07:03 PM
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My condolences Swille. It hurts to watch that.

Personally, I wouldn't use any version of an E or a C5 engine in anything I care about. I've been flying a long time and except for a single B6 engine, every cato I've ever seen (more than 20) was some form of an E or a C5. I know many people here will defend both and that's fine, not my rocket.

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Old 03-02-2020, 07:12 PM
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For my K-36 vintage Estes Saturn - V, heavily modified to use a 24 mm core and four 18 mm outboards, I flew it with a D12-3 core and four C6-3 outboards. Fully loaded the model weighed 1 pound, 3 1/2 ounces. Also used the Centuri style clear slip on fins to ensure stability. In the first and only flight flown in July 2009, got an excellent boost; however the five second delay of the D12 and C6's would have been better as the model (as observed during this flight) could have easily coasted to a much higher altitude.
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[QUOTE=KILTED COWBOY]Outboard motors are in a closed plastic motor tube so has to have zero ejection charge as no way to vent the gasses.


Then you have to "loose friction fit" them and let them kick out. That might be a problem at some fields. Some clubs don't allow you to fly rockets that kick motors.

I stand corrected the fin can outboard motors are not closed off, but the way I built it it will just vent between the space between the the can and the upper bulkhead.
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I stand corrected, the 4 outside motor tubes are open at the top,so the 4 18mm motors will vent out in between the space between the top of the fin can and the bottom of the upper bulkhead.
I am hoping that there is enough volume to handle the gases without damage
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Old 03-02-2020, 07:55 PM
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I always like the Saturn V liftoff photos like your’s and Dave’s (a couple posts after yours). The Saturn V, either real or model, always looks so regal and powerful in flight.

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I stand corrected, the 4 outside motor tubes are open at the top,so the 4 18mm motors will vent out in between the space between the top of the fin can and the bottom of the upper bulkhead.
I am hoping that there is enough volume to handle the gases without damage


In my K-36 Estes Saturn - V build, I modified the "interiors" so the four 18 mm body tubes and single 24 mm body tube would vent their ejection charge simultaneously. Above these cluster of body tubes inside the BT-101, I designed and used a baffle ejection system that eliminated the need to use recovery wadding. Worked just great. Photos below are that of the top part of the ejection baffle as seen from the top of the parachute compartment area:
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Use C5-3s outboard and just EJECT THEM out the tubes.
They are biodegradable.
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In my K-36 Estes Saturn - V build, I modified the "interiors" so the four 18 mm body tubes and single 24 mm body tube would vent their ejection charge simultaneously. Above these cluster of body tubes inside the BT-101, I designed and used a baffle ejection system that eliminated the need to use recovery wadding. Worked just great. Photos below are that of the top part of the ejection baffle as seen from the top of the parachute compartment area:


Are those shock chords simply adhered with duct tape?
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Old 03-02-2020, 08:21 PM
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I am hoping that there is enough volume to handle the gases without damage


Trust me, there isn't enough room. That being the case, with 4 engines you still need to vent. Just drill 3-4, 3/8th" holes in bottom engine mount ring and/or let them kick out.

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