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Old 03-04-2022, 09:32 AM
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No he's NOT the only bad guy, but he IS a bad guy. That said, we have enough of our own here in the West.

My maternal and paternal forbears were part of the ground up remains of eastern European peoples that washed up on our shores after WWII. I was raised to automatically regard Russia and Russian leaders as bad guys. Somehow I overcame being so judgemental.

Witnessing the breakup of the Soviet Union what has happened since, I am not surprised that Russia finally did what it did. You go poking a bully for long enough that bully will eventually "go full bully" on you and lash out; Even bully that everyone believes is a toothless, weak, possibly reformed bully. Bullies will bully. Empires will empire. That doesn't excuse the bully, or the empire. We had a lot of signs and omens that were ignored. NATO continued to expand eastward despite any promises that were made not to expand. We were all too happy to get back to "the new normal" after Crimea was annexed. Politicians were cooking up sweet business deals with the Ukrainians all the while implying NATO alliances with a wink and a smile while ignoring an increasingly pissed off bully next door.

I don't excuse the Russian Federation, but I think this could have been prevented. Either that or all this is inevitable and we've just been on a slow roll to WWIII ever since 1945. Ukraine is just bump in the road to Armageddon.
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Old 10-10-2022, 05:40 PM
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Title says it all. Take this b*****d out now. Animal...that is all he is. Animal.

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+1 to what Earl just said above.
POS crook in charge of russia is a waste of air.
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Right. I suppose all of you think that any successor to a disposed Putin will be a reincarnation of Ghandi . (Laughs)
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Right. I suppose all of you think that any successor to a disposed Putin will be a reincarnation of Ghandi . (Laughs)


No, I don't think anyone has mentioned a Ghandi-like replacement. But maybe someone a little less like the Son of Satan maybe....

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Old 11-16-2022, 07:43 PM
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Right. I suppose all of you think that any successor to a disposed Putin will be a reincarnation of Ghandi . (Laughs)


Exactly! This whole mess was ill advised... thinking that they could just collapse Russia. Knocking off Russia ain't like what the US has been doing for the last 20+ years, just knocking off farmers and goat herders and their second rate armies equipped with 30-40 year old Soviet era stuff... Russia is a powerful country with intelligent and industrious people, who have weapons just as advanced and in some cases more so (like their road-mobile ICBM fleet which is VERY difficult to target, which is fifth and sixth generation ICBM's, unlike ours which are refurbished Minuteman III's from the 70's which are still based in highly vulnerable easy to target silos). They have hypersonic missile systems, we don't. H3ll even the Chinese have hypersonic missile systems. Their tanks and field equipment is as good as ours or in some cases better. We don't have any real "advantage" anymore, not like we think we do.

AND even IF by some miracle of miracles we DID manage to beat Russia, their nuclear use doctrine states they will only use nuclear weapons in two circumstances-- if they've been attacked with a nuclear weapon (retaliatory strike) or *if the existence of the Russian sovereign state is about to be overcome by conventional means*... this means even if we beat them and are about to break Russia up into a gaggle of squabbling fiefdoms, or "bring them down" or whatever, even if only using conventional weapons, their last act is to launch all their nukes and take out their enemies as well. IOW, we can't win and "take down Russia" without being wiped out, simple as that. These idiots concocting all these schemes in DC should remember that.

Even if Russia DID collapse, who's to say whose finger would be on the nuclear button?? Or how many fingers, if Russia broke up into a gaggle of squabbling fiefdoms, each ruled by some warlord or oligarch or whatever, how many might end up with a chunk of the Russian nuclear arsenal. If we think we could break up Russia so US companies could come in and rapaciously steal their resources, installing some "friendly dictator" to keep things going our way, how long do we think the Russian people would stand for it? More than likely they'd install some ultra-nationalist who was vengeful for what we'd done to their beloved Mother Russia and their number one target would be the USA.

SO we tried to bring them down with sanctions, which have backfired completely and brought down the economies of Europe... the UK, Germany, France, Poland, etc are all facing freezing to death this winter without Russian gas, as they can't get enough elsewhere to replace the supply, and gas is selling for 10X the price it was last year, driving their citizens toward bankruptcy. Their gubmints, having already printed tons and tons of funny money to hand out as "covid relief" are about to the point if they print more they risk hyperinflation. Their industries are shutting down permanently left and right, because they cannot afford to produce anything due to the cost of fuel, if they can get it, because passing those costs on in the price of the finished product would make them totally noncompetitive, therefore selling nothing. No sense producing what you can't sell for a profit, and no sense producing anything to sell at a loss. No industry means HUGE unemployment is coming. Lack of natural gas means they cannot make nitrogen fertilizers for crops-- last I read they're already predicting a 50% shortage of fertilizer come spring, and that's the 'official" numbers which are always WAY too low... 70-75% shortage is probably more likely, and what nitrogen fertilizer IS available will be prohibitively expensive. Farmers won't plant fields with a half-dose or quarter-dose of fertilizer-- the cost for fuel and seed and inputs and labor is too high-- instead if they can only get 50% of their fertilizer, they'll only plant 50% of their acres, trying to get the maximum production for the least cost/work. That means food shortages. Stores are already full of bare shelves, and the bad times haven't even really hit yet. Europe is looking at the 1930's all over again... and we all know how that turned out. Meanwhile, Russia is getting stronger... they aren't short of fuel to run their industry and heat their homes and generate electricity in Russia. We've driven Russia straight into the arms of the Chinese, and the "global south" third world countries are flocking to the BRICS+ countries and lining up to the join the Shanghai Cooperation Organization... even our "allies" Turkey and more importantly Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are dumping us, after Biden's stupidity over the Kashoggi affair, his going hat-in-hand to the Saudis to get more oil achieved nothing. In fact they snubbed us and cut production, not by the 1 million barrels requested by Russia who is now part of OPEC+, but by TWO million barrels. The Saudis have now expressed their desire to join BRICS and the SCO, effectively joining with Russia and China against the US. It was the deal with the Saudis after WW2 that created the petrodollar, which effectively made the dollar the world reserve currency, but that's now changing-- the Saudis are now selling oil to other countries in their native currency, including China. We lose the petrodollar as the world reserve currency, our economic system is a house of cards that will collapse in a hurricane of debt. The UK is already effectively broke-- nobody is buying their bonds, so they're BUYING THEIR OWN BONDS to prop up their economy... effectively a snake eating its own tail. China and other countries have been dumping the US bonds and are increasingly refusing to finance our debt, which means sooner or later we'll be in the same boat as the UK-- broke with nobody to bail us out.

Meanwhile BRICS is creating a new currency based on the value of their resources, rather than fiat currency of the US backed by NOTHING. They're creating a new financial interchange system to replace the US-controlled one that sanctions can lock them out of.

Instead we installed a friendly dictator in the form of Zelensky in the 2014 Maidan Coup, violated our word by doin everything possible to make Ukraine a NATO outpost, which would eventually be armed with US weapons pointed at Russia on their own doorstep, the US backs neo-Nazis in the Azov battalion and throughout Ukraine's military, which is infested with them, and now that they've gotten practically wiped out, we're paying ISIS terrorists to fight for Ukraine... the same terrorists we paid to make war on our behalf in Syria, with the promise they could kill as many pro-Assad people as they could and take their wives and daughters as sex slaves or to sell as slaves. We support these neo-Nazis who have shelled the Donbas for years, killing and maiming and terrorizing people of Russian descent or who speak Russian there... driving people into buildings and burning them alive. All this is being backed, supported, and paid for with OUR US tax dollars, at the behest and with the support and assistance of our US gubmint. It makes me sick.

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Old 11-16-2022, 07:44 PM
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Continued...

Now the US has become a terrorist nation, us and our lap dog in the UK... we've blown up our ally Germany's pipelines (Nordstream 1&2) owned jointly by them and the Russians, which incidentally was an act of war and IF Russia and Putin was half as much the warmongering monster we make them out to be, we'd already be radioactive dust. Our own lame brained president admitted that was the plan last year when he said Nordstream would disappear. His neocon/neolib state department head celebrated the "tremendous opportunity" to sell Europe US LNG at extremely inflated prices, thanks to the fact they can no longer receive Russian gas from the blown up pipelines. We certainly helped, along with the UK, the Ukrainians to use a truck bomb on the Kerch Bridge, which is a terrorist act... so we're complicit in their terrorism and war crimes. Now terrorists WE trained are blowing up civilians in Turkey because they're increasingly taking the Russian's side, and we can't stand it. We're fomenting civil war in Iran because Iran is teaming up with Russia and about to sign a mutual defense treaty with them. We're provoking war with China over Taiwan, crossing every red line they set, trying to keep them off balance. We'll be trying to assassinate MBS in Saudi Arabia next, or overthrow the gubmint there and install a friendly dictator, rather than allow them to break with the US and join BRICS and the SCO. These other countries around the world aren't stupid-- they've seen how the US works, how it either strong-arms concessions from various gubmints around the world to get what the US wants, or will support or foment rebellions to overthrow their country's gubmint and leadership and replace it with a friendly dictator to get what they want, or failing that, send in the US military or whatever terrorists we decide to fund to go in kill their people and destroy their country, so the US companies can go in and steal their resources afterwards, leaving their people destitute and in poverty. They know it's just a matter of time until they're next, so they've had enough and are increasingly turning their back on the US and flocking to the BRICS and SCO countries.

The stupid thing is, we've known since the 90's that eventually we'd NEED Russia to work with us to be a counterbalance to China... China is already or soon will be the world's largest economy, their industrial sector is unmatched, in large part because so much of US manufacturing has relocated there for cheap labor and plenty of resources, and to get away from the onerous environmental and industrial regulations in the US. After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia actually wanted to JOIN NATO... but we couldn't allow that... NATO wouldn't have a reason to exist without an enemy, so we MADE Russia be that enemy. Extremely shortsighted. Now we face Russia and China arm-in-arm along with the rest of the BRICS nations, which are a HUGE economic and population block, while the US is nearly bankrupt and slowly collapsing and Europe is collapsing into a third-world continent that cannot even keep the heat and electricity on and will soon be facing food shortages and industrial collapse and economic depression. AND increasingly we find ourselves standing ALONE as even our long-time allies are abandoning us due to our shortsightedness. US foreign policy has always been "carrot and stick" and we've got a LONG history of overthrowing or assassinating leaders who "won't go along with us" and installing friendly dictators, starting with the "banana republics" in our own hemisphere and now we've expanded that worldwide. Increasingly though over the last decade or two, our foreign policy is nearly "all stick" and "little carrot". It's led to the US being one of the most hated countries on Earth, and increasingly these countries have had enough and aren't going to put up with it any longer. They see other countries standing up and an alternative, and they're taking it!

Now we think we can go to war with Russia and China while we've depleted the stockpiles of ammunition and weapons in Europe and the US to critically low levels. Meanwhile the Russians are resupplying their army in Ukraine and mobilizing a half million men (and continuing to over the 300,000 so far) and training and equipping them while maintaining and intensifying operations in Ukraine-- the gloves have come off and they intend to smash Ukraine once the ground freezes and they're ready to proceed. Despite all the nonsense about Putin and his "unprovoked war" which is a blatant lie, the Russians have been trying to NOT destroy Ukraine's infrastructure and kill people unnecessarily, until the Kerch Bridge attack, which Putin had WARNED was a red line and would bring dire consequences. Say what you like about Putin- the man tells the TRUTH, he doesn't exaggerate or talk crap, he just warns and tells what he's going to do if his and Russia's enemies continue to provoke and attack and cross their red lines. I think that's why our gubmint's psychotic leaders don't know how to deal with him-- they've been SUCH pathological LIARS for SO LONG, they wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the @ss... so they can't imagine a world leader actually telling the truth and then doing what he said he'd do. If you listen to his speeches, rather than the liars in the mainstream media and their US intelligence concocted BS, you'll see the man is really truthful and sensible, a far cry from the warmongering and provocational "leaders" we have here in the US.

The US has basically now become the very thing we swore to destroy... we have truly become the "evil empire" that Reagan accused the Soviets of being back in the 80's, when we were still on the side of right and truth. Now it's Putin who tells the truth and is on the right side of history, and we're supporting terrorists and Nazis... it's truly sickening. I never thought I'd see the day when Russia was more truthful and decent than the US, but that day has arrived.
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There is NOTHING wrong with what you call "fiat" currency backed by nothing but "full faith and credit" in the good old USA. It is STILL the standard of the entire world and will remain so.
Anything else is "Doom and Gloom" BS Nonsense/Guff/Bunk/Hokum/Balderdash/Hooey/Baloney/Hawgwarsh.

Those wanting us to revert back to the old "Gold" standard are fools.

What do we do if China tries to call-in our supposed debt to them ?
Two simple words: STIFF 'EM.
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So the dollar will remain the world's reserve currency forever? I suggest strongly that you stick to model rocketry analysis because it's obvious you know nothing about world history.
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Where did you get your business degrees, pal ?
I have two. One is Summa Laude.

Our National Debt and deficit spending are largely MEANINGLESS.
GloBULLization is a much more destabilizing factor to our economy.
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