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Old 11-03-2022, 09:26 AM
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+1 to what jeffyjeep just said above.
$149 for what essentially is about $2.49 worth of plastic is ABSURD.
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Old 11-03-2022, 11:55 AM
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Elon Musk has to pay for Twitter somehow...


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That’s true. He didn’t get Twitter..…..




…..wait for it…..




…..wait for it…..




…..wait for it…..




…..on the “cheep”.
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Old 11-03-2022, 07:28 PM
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I bought one anyway.
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Old 11-03-2022, 08:35 PM
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I bought one anyway.


Give us some insight on how it flies when you get to launch yours. According to the review in Sport Rocketry the demo rocket flew very nicely on Estes C5-3 motors at NARAM.
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Old 11-04-2022, 08:46 AM
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Give us some insight on how it flies when you get to launch yours. According to the review in Sport Rocketry the demo rocket flew very nicely on Estes C5-3 motors at NARAM.


Will do.
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I wouldn't pay 25% of what they are asking for what amounts to little more than a molded plastic cylinder.
Somebody in the pricing department needs a sanity check.

WHO is making this thing ? Ferrari ?

Jing Ferrari Wang, maybe.



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Old 11-04-2022, 01:27 PM
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It would be interesting to know how much of a licensing fee SpaceX charges(ed) for products like these. I would hope it would not represent a decent portion of the MSRP, but then again who knows.

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Old 11-04-2022, 01:39 PM
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It would be interesting to know how much of a licensing fee SpaceX charges(ed) for products like these. I would hope it would not represent a decent portion of the MSRP, but then again who knows.

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It could go two ways. They could charge out the wazoo for it, or they could say, "hmm, what a great way to promote our brand and our technology. Let's license to them for a dollar for X number of years." If Musk himself knew anything about model rocketry and were to mull it over, he might go the dollar route, but he probably knows nothing about the deal with Estes. I bet the licensing is at the top end of what Estes was willing to spend.
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:58 PM
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It could go two ways. They could charge out the wazoo for it, or they could say, "hmm, what a great way to promote our brand and our technology. Let's license to them for a dollar for X number of years." If Musk himself were to mull it over, he might go the dollar route, but he probably knows nothing about it. I bet the licensing is at the top end of what Estes was willing to spend.


My guess is you’d win that bet - SpaceX appears to hold its NIL IP pretty close to it’s vest.

And just to drag a bit of the “dismal science” into the discussion, material and labor costs can be a rather minor component when determining a retail price - the low-level voodoo of figuring out what end-users are willing to pay is a much bigger factor than material and labor costs when it comes to “luxury” goods - the category in which all hobby items fall. Add in the current environment where shipping and transportation costs are increasing at historic rates - the next production run may have to be subsidized by sales of the initial run.

As I’ve said before, the Falcon 9 holds very little interest for me as a model rocket, even if the #2161 RTF F9 had been priced closer to the #2160 SV and subject to sales from the usual discounters it’s unlikely I’d buy one, same for any future builder kits. But I sure hope Estes does a traditional kit using the bits/pieces from the RTF - a builder’s kit F9 from Estes would be a great tip of the hat to the enthusiast community.
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Old 11-04-2022, 07:41 PM
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It would be interesting to know how much of a licensing fee SpaceX charges(ed) for products like these. I would hope it would not represent a decent portion of the MSRP, but then again who knows.

Earl


My son and I got a tour of Estes from Bill Stine himself. The most interesting fact about the Falcon 9 model, IMO, is the fact you can ONLY buy it direct from Estes or direct from SpaceX. SpaceX refused to allow it to be sold in hobby stores. Why, you ask? I can't be certain, but the mostly likely reason is nearly every hobby store these days does online business - and that could mean this rocket being shipped by Amazon.

My model arrives tomorrow. Via UPS.
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