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I was wondering that myself. A couple of years ago Bill Saindon (BMS) said he had acquired a machine that would allow him to make "mass quantities" of certain nose cone shapes more economically. I wondered then if he had gotten that machinery from Estes, though others thought that probably Estes had gotten rid of that equipment a decade ago. If they then contracted back out to him, they don't need to risk the capital investment in new equipment in case they aren't popular, and they can get just the quantities they need.
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Maybe that's why the BMS Kit of the Month program has slowed down some?!.......
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In my opinion, it seems that they are getting away from plastic. As you had mentioned, the price of molds are very expensive, the price of oil is still high causing higher material costs and you don't know what ic coming out of China these days. Mattel knows all about that. |
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Estes is going back to their roots, so many have voiced their displeasure with too much plastic, too many RTF's and not having "classic kits". Now, Estes has begun to change, listening to their customers. It has nothing to do with any other rocket company, I guess after hearing so much feedback, from both forums, they figured, why not mave in another direction. Estes started off with these kits, and, as I had mentioned previously, Estes and centuri became one company, they all all of the documentations, why not use it. Maybe the dimensions aren't totally the same, but, like I also mentioned before, that would be like starting a totally new company in my opinion. You can only carry so much in stock, before it gets out of hand. Right now, estes have over 80 different nose cones in plastic, that's a lot of molds, and with the price of raw material on the rise on a regular basis, that would be prohibitive. There giving us the balsa we requested, there giving us the "bring backs" as we requested, there giving us the motors we have requested. In my opinion, I don't know what more Estes can do to show the hobby world that they are open to suggestiongs and willing to make changes. |
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Not from BMS, back in 2005 when I waanted to have the Astron Scout brought back for the 50th anniversary, BMS was contacted, but, the project was dropped and that was that. |
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yea, but he apparently didn't have the machinery back then for high volume. What sort of numbers was Estes thinking about in 2005? Just a WAG that it would be at least 2500 to make it worth their while, maybe more. In 1991 they made that 2500 unit run of Mars Snoopers, but that was when they still had the machinery (2500 each of a nose cone and a transition, 7500 each of the two pod cones, + extras for warrantee)
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Bringing back the Scout had nothing to do with the capacity to produce balsa parts , rather the anniversary itself. Hence, the Golden Scout program. |
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Now if we can only get Estes to improve on their waterslide decals.
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All I can say is, if Estes follows through and brings out those kits and the new (old) motors, I will happily buy many of the kits and lots of the A8-0 motors (I already have a large stock of A10-0T motors so I won't need any of those for a while )
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The seventeen kits listed in the beginning of this post are scheduled to be released between March and June 2009.
It would be safe to say that the two motors the A8-0's and the A10-0T's would be available in the same time period. The B6-0 are out now. The remaining 25 kits are scheduled for release in the summer of 2009, probably August to Oct, just a guess. There are more in the works, as well as updates to the present kit line as well. Keep checking the Estes web pag for updates www.estesrockets.com Information will be posted there on the releases and any other additional information. Remember that they are using BALSA nose cones, Laseer cut BALSA fins and waterslide decals. |
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